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I always think people give the US too much credit when they’re like “we could end this with a phone call” because things are complex and the US isn’t like omnipotent.
And then we just announce we’re inventing a new port and fuck you we’re using it.
I mean that’s not easy either honestly. We dont have “fold up” ports that can handle cargo ships, which is looking like what we need. Its going to take time to get this working.
What we do have though is a stunning amount of logistical expertise in war zones and more cargo planes than fucking god. We sure as shit can be doing no stop aid drops the entire time this port is being built, and we should be.
True, but our 300 or so c130s can’t fly international from the US straight to the Middle East. Granted there’s plenty of US airbases that are closer, but Air drops are likely to come from a naval operation as much as an air operation. Get a fleet positioned defensively with an aircraft carrier that supports something like the C2-A greyhound and then create a constant supply line for air drops while the fleet defends creation of a militarized seaport.
In the meantime, support more airdrops through https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muwaffaq_Salti_Air_Base which I think is the best route for immediate and steady aid. It requires multiple cargo trips to get there and then to Gaza but then now we’re getting into Israel claiming Jordan is “providing support to their enemy”
I love how these plans still involve leaving bases from other countries when our veeeeery good ally Israel is literally right there. That we need to take these extraordinary measures rather than just say “ok, time for you to pay up for all the money and diplomatic protection” is embarrassing.
Well yeah of course the US wouldn’t do that, we’re already trying to build a military base in Israel. The US is absolutely complicit in what’s going on.
https://theintercept.com/2023/10/27/secret-military-base-israel-gaza-site-512/
I’m in no way claiming that the solution shouldn’t just be an entire UN economic sanction against them, them being declared as war criminals, and then UN peacekeeping forces moving in whether they like it or not (which includes the removal of any US troops that aren’t part of the UN Peacekeeping force). But that’s clearly not going to happen, so my comment was explicitly about logistically how to get supplies to people who need them.
I don’t know about the the last part. Biden promised no US boots on the ground. I think the expectation may be for other countries to use it.
Apparently there are already boots on the ground unofficially. Saw it somewhere here on lemmy the other day.
The closest any troops are is the postage stamp sized base in Israel. Nobody but the CIA can account for what SOG is doing.
The thing is: We could end it with the lack of a phone call. All we have to do is nothing. Not send them new weapons, not show up to the UN and veto ceasefire resolutions.
For some reason I don’t think it’s that simple.
US (and really everyone else): does nothing
Israel: genocides Gaza and claims it as new Israeli territory.
Months or years later: Israeli territory becomes a hotbed of revolutionary attacks by people that survived the genocide, want revenge for seeing their children, parents, spouses, friends, etc indiscriminately killed
Israel asks for international support on the “war on terror”
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Biden: Alright, you’re going to stop this right now.
Netanyahu: No, we’re not.
Biden: We’ll withdraw all aid. We’ll sanction you.
Netanyahu: Lol. You’re going to burn your one “ride or die” ally in the middle east? The one that has nukes? We’ll stop providing you with intel and assisting you in any “stabilizing” of the region. Maybe I’ll give Xi and Putin a call – I’m sure they’d love us as a friend. Maybe they’ll send some experts to “inspect” some of these new toys you sold us, like the F-35.
Biden: … shit.
If they were our ride or die ally they’d do something for us, like ever. What they’re doing now is the opposite of “stabilizing” and the very fact that October 7th went off shows their intel isn’t that good.
Israel is welcome to threaten the United States and find out what happens when the United States tells countries to implement sanctions on a rogue power. But they almost certainly wouldn’t as Netanyahu would be deposed rather than make his country the next Cuba.
Inb4 Israel begins sending in tactical knife murderers to keep killing Palestinians inside the very obvious “this is a safe zone and we fucking mean it this time” that this would represent.
Netenyahu has the choice now to let it fucking go already or to torpedo US Israeli relations by attacking US military personnel.
Inb4 Israel begins sending in tactical knife murderers to keep killing
Oh so now you want Israel to adopt the Palestinian methods of terror?
Sounds like Israel’s usual M.O. Israel is a terrorist state after all.
Sending children to stab random strangers is definitely a Palestinian thing not Israeli.
That was past israel. Israel went from small scale terror attacks to current full Nazi terror attacks
Watch it get bombed because “hamas”
That’ll be a US military post, and Netenyahu is already on Planck thin ice with the Biden Admin for how much shit this war has put him in stateside, I would not underestimate at all the possibility of a cold war style “incident” sweeping a more compliant Israeli government in if Bibi tried something as spectacularly stupid as to openly attack US military personnel
I’m not saying this will happen or is the plan, but within 5 minutes of hearing this news I thought, “what if someone claiming to be Hamas attacked this port?”
I really hope the last ten years has just ruined me and caused me to only expect the worst
Probably the US would seize the controls from Israel and actually fight like it’s a war instead of a genocide to replace Hamas with Fatah
Or maybe Gaza will become yet another attempt by the US to establish an Arab democracy over all the other Arab states doing everything possible to sabotage the effort to avoid such notions spreading to their borders as well.
Shit Syria alone will be doing it because they think the problem with Israel’s Euphrates to Nile plan is that they wouldn’t be the ones in charge of it.
yet another attempt by the US to establish an Arab democracy over all the other Arab states doing everything possible to sabotage the effort to avoid such notions spreading to their borders as well.
Okay I’m not a fan of the modern Arab states but if you think US attempts to establish “Democracy” in the Middle Easts were anything more than fools errands doomed to failure you have some history to read.
I think /c/NCD would implode if IDF attacked a US Navy port lmao. The countless Abrams vs Merkava memes alone would crash their instance.
noncredibledefense is on lemmyworld?
Wouldn’t be out of character for them.
How fast could China build a fully functioning hospital during the height of the pandemic?
We can build a port faster than a few weeks
Weren’t they like tents with equipment inside?
There’s thousands of trucks filled with food on the border. How about uhhhhh
Sea deliveries from Greece?
The port will take “a number of weeks” to set up, officials have said, and will be able to receive large ships carrying food, water, medicine and temporary shelters. Initial shipments will arrive via Cyprus, where Israeli security inspections will take place.
So Biden is waiting a few more weeks so everyone in Gaza can starve to death first.
Lol this has to be satire. Yeah dude Biden is not only directly in charge of these aid deliveries, but he’s also personally holding up the trucks so he can delay it for a few more weeks.
Get a fucking grip.
What if I told you they’re going to continue with trucks and air drops and add the port too
Delaying, dissembling, airy promises, highly publicized symblic actions and sending muppets around to tell people that not voting Biden is the same as voting Trump, have been the Biden’s Adminstration techniques to try and contain the damage from their unwavering support for the Genocide by the guys talking and acting the most like Nazis since the actual Nazis.
Even the arguments of the muppets going around trying to excuse this shit boil down to this, plus the texbook whataboutism of claiming that other nations are doing the same thing as America (the “I’m kicking the little kid on the floor because these other guys are doing it too and if I stopped he would still be kicked anyway so I’ll keep on doing it” line of ‘argument’)
The only way for Biden at this point to believably dispel the Nazi-lover image he has show by unwaveringly supporting Israel in its active commiting of a genocide along etnic lines is to not just cut all US support to Israel but to actually sanction Israel, and I mean do it, not just say it, as Biden, whilst smoother at it, is clearly as much a baldface liar as Trump.
