• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    Dont worry guys, Biden said we’ll have a ceasefire by this weekend, and obviously he’s not just incredibly out of touch with no idea what reality is like…

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    9 months ago

    Ok flame away, as clearly I’m going to be downvoted to oblivion or banned, but:

    I read just now on the BBC that most of the casualties were due not to gunfire, as all the posts suggest, but to the aid Lorries driving over people in what seems like scenes of chaos and probable panic… and this is from a news outlet that leans to the left.

    I’m not pro Hamas or IDF but I feel like (deserved or not), if what the Beeb say is true, then we’re allowing ourselves to get carried away here.

    Israel-Gaza war: More than 100 reported killed in crowd near Gaza aid convoy, Hamas-run health ministry says

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      9 months ago

      It’s wild how you read that article and just take the Israeli claim as truth when they’re contradicted by others right there in the article:

      All or most of the casualties being treated at two other hospitals, Kamal Adwan and al-Awda, were said by officials there to have bullet or shrapnel wounds.

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        9 months ago

        It’s wild you just take those officials’ claims as truth when they’re contradicted by others right there in the article:

        A Palestinian witness told the BBC most of those who died had been run over as lorry drivers tried to move forward.

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          9 months ago

          I didn’t take any of them as truth, because we don’t know. We do know Israel lies, frequently and blatantly, so believing them over other sources is dumb.

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              9 months ago

              The person I was replying to before you jumped in for some reason apparently without reading the context.

              I read just now on the BBC that most of the casualties were due not to gunfire

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                9 months ago

                Well it’s actually because I read the context that made me jump in to ask the question

                That poster also said

                if what the Beeb say is true, then

                And linked an article that has different angles on these killings. I didn’t see any suggestion where he said any of the cited sources were right or wrong

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                  9 months ago

                  The Beeb didn’t say “most of the casualties were due no to gunfire”. They didn’t say any particular side was true. The OP just chose one side and ignored the other. They’re not trusting BBC, I don’t think any of us think the BBC is making up quotes, they’re selecting trusting a specific source among multiple relayed by BBC.

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      9 months ago

      Came here with similar response. Ill join you in the downvotes.

      Democracynow.org is horrific for half stories and bias. I went through Al Jazeera and a few points.

      • Israel did open fire on the civilians. Their response and reasoning is that the trucks were being swarmed and the drivers who did kill some by being run over were Hamas drivers. People were likely killed in stampead prior to opening fire, and in the ensuring panic afterwards.

      • Hamas is claiming they were deliberate shots at chest level.

      • the fog of war in this conflict is horrible, and its exponentially worse because of propaganda, poor reporting and uneducated masses having a voice.

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        9 months ago

        …so the guys driving the fucking aid trucks were Hamas? And Hamas was purposefully using the aid trucks to run over its own people? So Israel started firing at the drivers of the aid trucks but miraculously missed every shot, and them gunning down dozens of civilians was an oopsie?

        You believe that? Cuz that’s really fucking stupid.

        You know why there was a mob of people? Because there is no food in Gaza. At all. People are subsisting on grains used for animal food, anything with calories. People are desperate when they are starving to death. And Israel, the fucking monsters, engineered this situation by only letting a couple trucks here and there trickle in while hundreds of aid trucks wait at the border, unallowed to enter.

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          9 months ago

          Not quite - you are also confusing what one side said the other was.

          The very early days, brief timeline

          • aid trucks went in. Israel says drivers were Hamas.

          • aid trucks were swarmed, people killed in the crush.

          • Israel opened fire to protect trucks, Hamas claimed shots fired deliberately at chest level.

          • people killed in panic stampede, people run over by panicked truck drivers, I haven’t seen any comments that people were killed by gunfire (haven’t seen, not saying it didn’t happen.

          • i will also ignore any references from MEE or Democracynow, along with any blatantly supporting Israel or Gaza without balance.

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            9 months ago

            You’re a rare breed man. Thanks for staying true to the facts, regardless of the results of them. Non-bias is impossible to find nowadays.

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        It’s impossible to argue with manufactured outrage. They already ate and digested the rhetoric and nothing will change their minds.

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