• givesomefucks@lemmy.world
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    27 days ago

    Blatantly illegal.

    But Biden won’t step up and make Garland do his job.

    Just throw it on top of the giant piles of reason “not trump” isn’t enough to fight fascism.

    We need people actually willing and able to fight, best case scenario for Biden is he’s only one of those things.

    And as president, he’s clearly able to direct the DOJ, if he believes he shouldn’t be able, that makes him unwilling to fight fascism.

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      musk is all in. He either goes to prison or trump wins.

      I’m sure investigation starts immediately, but it won’t get results until after the election.

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        What investigation is needed?

        There’s no way this is legal, it’s what “blatantly illegal” means.

        Like, if someone stripped naked, got a full automatic gun and walked around the White House busting off caps, it’s “blatantly illegal” no investigation needs to be done.

        This isn’t like Musk went home and put pants on, he’s still running around literally everyday till the election doing this.

        You stop the person from committing the crime, and lock them up if there’s reasonable suspicion they’ll keep committing crimes.

        Then when you’ve stopped more crimes from happening, you investigate the crimes that already blatantly happened, as well as looking for others.

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          Are you suggesting to lock musk up for up to a year without a jury convicting him? For an illegal lottery.

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            That rich people be held to the law!!!

            Reginald! Get the fainting couch, I need to go get my pearls so I may clutch them

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              Honestly, it sounds so bad it would proof the trump campaign right.

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                  I’m wondering if people are confused about your comment because they are missing the fact that Musk is literally an African American (American now, originally from Africa).

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                Right about what, exactly? You do know this is a random person talking out of their ass on the internet about how they want the justice system to work, not reality.

                Have no fear, there would be an investigation and a jury and conviction before Musk is behind bars (LOL JUST KIDDING, Musk is rich and will never face consequences)

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                  Right about the radical left wanting to imprison political opponents. Without due process

                  Over an illegal lottery that could be argued to be a sweep

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            You know, they do that to people every single day.

            They hold people (remanded into custody) until a trial if they are a threat to the public.

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        musk is all in. He either goes to prison or trump wins.

        If trump has proven anything, it’s that wealthy Republicans can get away with literally anything in this country. Musk isn’t going to prison, and I doubt he’ll even see a courtroom over this.

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          Seriously… Trump staged a literal insurrection and is the top presidential candidate. They think Musk is going away for some voter bribery?

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      Just curious, why do you think Biden has to do anything? There’s teams of people in charge of enforcing laws that don’t need the president to tell them what to do. A CEO doesn’t tell everyone under him what to do. He just expects them to do their job to the best they’re able.

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        Because I know who Merrick Garland is and have observed his behavior over the last four years?

        It’s legit one of the few areas I agree with Biden:

        In recent weeks, President Biden has grumbled to aides and advisers that had Garland moved sooner in his investigation into former President Donald Trump’s election interference, a trial may already be underway or even have concluded, according to two people granted anonymity to discuss private matters. That trial still could take place before the election and much of the delay is owed not to Garland but to deliberate resistance put up by the former president and his team.

        https://www.politico.com/news/2024/02/09/white-house-frustration-with-garland-grows-00140813

        Although I disagree with Biden on his path forward. Rather than replace Garland, his plan is to grumble to aids and adversers that Garland doesn’t do what he wants, I believe Biden should have never appointed him in the first, and can offer no plausible explanation for why he hasn’t been replaced other Biden is (say it with me) unwilling to fight fascism as hard as it needs to be fought.

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            What?

            You want me to drop a specific name?

            If you really want me to I can look at the DOJ top chain of command and find at least one that seems willing to do their job if you really wanted, but I’m not sure why you’d expect me to have a list of candidate prepared for you.

            Do you want me to see if they have time for mock interviews too?

            I could name drop it’s for you if you think it’ll help, but frankly I’m worried no one will reach back out…

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    The Supreme Court: “This is fine as long as it remains Republicans only…”

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        The article says what he’s doing is clearly illegal, and backs it up with the law that he’s violating. He’s offering, through a lottery, a chance to receive payment in order to incentivize people to register to vote. CAH is probably treading close to the line, but I can’t say it’s clearly illegal. What Musk is described as doing seems to be pretty clearly illegal, to me.

        Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both

        Can you explain why you don’t seem to think what Musk is doing is illegal?

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        Did you read the article…? They’re saying it is illegal to offer money to register to vote.

        Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307©: “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)

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    The best part about this is that unlike a lot of the other illegal shit his PACs are doing, Musk can’t separate himself from it and say he wasn’t personally involved. He personally handed out the giant check.

    If Harris wins, and if her administration actually decides to crack down on this shit, Musk could end up behind bars. I’m not holding my breath, but it’s a still a pleasant thought.

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      The first rally he came out for trump, he flat out said “if trump loses I’m fucked”.

      It’s logical to assume if he’s being this blatant because even a little digging would show obvious crimes.

      He’s already fucked, he has no other option than to double down with blantant shit.

      All the more reason to act now, the election is in two weeks, but if looking into this gets a head start to find some shady shit before January…

      Well, it’s probably all hypothetical, Biden wouldn’t have the balls to do anything.

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        That’s what you get when you nominate someone because he “has been able to work with Republicans his whole career”

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          That wasn’t why he was given the nomination, it was the excuse given for why it had to be Biden.

          Like, I have a very low opinion about the intelligence of the people running the dnc…

          But they couldn’t be stupid enough to believe that shit, even if Biden honestly did.

      • It’s logical to assume if he’s being this blatant because even a little digging would show obvious crimes.

        Are you saying that he’ll be expected to go to jail if Harris wins? I think you just made my day.

        Well, it’s probably all hypothetical, Biden wouldn’t have the balls to do anything.

        Biden was never a tough-as-nails prosecutor. But this is how Harris made her name, so there’s every reason to expect she’s do things differently after Jan 20.

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        Remember: the reason Garland got nominated for SCOTUS in the first place was that he was so conservative Obama figured Mitch McConnell couldn’t possibly object to him.

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          Merrick garland was actually recommended by one of the senate GOP members, Grassely, who headed up the senate judicial commitee. He said Garland would be “reasonable” choice that Obama would never nominate.

          So Obama nominated him to make a point, and the Senate tsk tsked anyway and refused to fill the seat for the first time in its history.

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    Donald Trump, such a great candidate that you have to pay people and offer them cash prizes to get people to vote for him…

    That’s the message here.

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    Put him behind bars for that and I start believing that the government takes this vote seriously.

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      I’m going to lower the bar:

      If the government issues any sort of indictment in the next 3 weeks, I’ll agree that they are taking it seriously. Even without bail.

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      It’s not actually illegal. He is paying a lottery to people who register to vote. Similarly, Cards Against Humanity is paying people who didn’t vote last election to make a voting plan.

      It’s illegal to pay someone to vote regardless of if it’s for a side. Neither instance goes far enough to be considered against the law as written. Cards Against Humanity states that it shouldn’t be and it’s fucked up that it is.

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        You need to really read what CAH says… it’s only paying you to apologize, make a plan to vote and post a comment about Trump on social media. Nome of that goes as far as this lottery.

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    Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)

    I mean, if it’s clearly illegal then can we, you know, apply the law?

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      Make him pay it for each entrant. It’s probably still pocket change because a hundred billion dollars (or whatever it is now) is effectively infinite money.

      Sometimes the depth of the hole we’ve dug ourselves is just astounding.

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    I mean, I guess I would take a million dollars from a deluded billionaire, but I would still vote for Harris.

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    The worst part is, he isn’t even American. Imagine if Americans would go into a foreign country and try to influence the elections… Oh wait.

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      Apparently nothing. I live in PA and want to sign up, but I really don’t want Musk to have my email or phone number or home address.

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        Understandable. I’d greatly consider it (if I didn’t already turn in my mail-in ballot, and he offered to California) but the idea alone that I’d be giving my private info to “I am a massive fascist and enabler and funder of them” just so I can grift a grifter.

        But the simple fact that even if I could give them what they demanded for payment, they would probably see a disabled, queer, poor person and go “Oh, well, you’re one of them so… Face the wall.”

        I’d rather be a poverty-trapped queer in a red county as I am now, than sell my morals for money. That’s what people with the moral backbone of a chocolate eclair do.