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This is not about defending billionaires, this is about condemning murder as a matter of principle!
The principle being complete subservience to a group of wall street military and prison industry profiteers who have used their wealth to hijack our social institutions, our representatives and transformed the vast majority of news media in our country into propaganda dissemination outlets While also enforcing a system that legislates and bureaucratically incentivizes the deaths of poor and working class people including American citizens for profit while denying the reality that this is called social murder and is murder none the less. A principle completely lacking in principle. Id love to know what you consider to be moral with principles such as those.
Username fucking checks out.
I think they way most people see it is that anyone in their right mind has a point where murder is okay. WWII, for example - the vast majority of people understand it was okay to kill Nazis. The context was that the world had no choice but to go to war with them. It was either kill or be killed.
We’re in the same situation here in the United States. Our political system is broken. Politicians are bought and sold by the 1%, and they will continue to kill us en masse no matter how many peaceful protests we join and whoever we vote for.
As a photographer I’m wondering why would billionaires give autofocus about poor people…
/s obviously
For the amount of references to people defending CEOS and billionaires, I never actually see any unless I walk by a TV blaring Fox News.
Come to Germany. We had a wealth tax until 1996 and whenever it’s revival is publicly discussed you can see that the majority is against it even when the majority of our people would never have to pay it and would profit from it. It’s mind boggling that the people are still willing to defend our current “don’t tax the rich” policy…
Yeah the whole AfD situation is extremely worrying to me.
You can see some in this very thread
So they’re in the room with us right now? Can you describe them to us?
I’ve seen plenty of corpo bootlicking even on Lemmy.
That’s silly, a shocking amount of media sources are in cover their ass mode not just fox. LinkedIn has posts. Twitter has posts. Even SNL, shockingly, is a little bit “can we not be cheering a killer on air?”
So…I call bs, this is everywhere.
Cheering for a Killer and defending a CEO are not the only two stances. You can do neither.
the CEO who killed millions via denying healthcare was the true working class hero
A CEO was “murdering” with debts before and after, call me when something actually changes.
To be clear, Brian Thompson was a terrible person and deserved to die, but we as individuals are not his judge. For his execution there should be trial.
Nobody will actually change anything for you, unless you work on it. All of you, all of us collectively. I’m calling you now, do something.
And I will vote for change. And I ask you to do the same.
Nobody I work with is on the same page as me about this subject, but they also don’t know enough about it to feel comfortable disagreeing with me. I think a lot of people relate more to a CEO than Luigi for the simple fact that they think or feel that it’s more likely for them to be in the CEOs position than a shooter. As delusional as that is, it’s a factor that has always put the working class against themselves.
You don’t have to pick a side. You could just say Brian Thompson deserved to die and that Luigi Mangione should see trial and possibly imprisonment.
To be fair, that guy looks like his hands are probably grimey. I wouldn’t want to touch them either.
Also, maybe the players are tired and grumpy after the match.
The fans are why they make millions dribbling a ball though. A simple high five is not a lot to ask.
True. But athletes are still people and they are allowed to be themselves.
My dogg ur gonna make me upvote this twice
Which is twice what homie got
2x0 is still 0, bro woulda got more than twice what homie got.
Closing bell at the guard rail factory.
Opposing capital punishment without a trial != defending millionaires.
so what crime would Thompson be charged with?
oh? no crimes were committed you say?
preposterous! his executive actions were costing thousands of American’s their lives!
that’s not illegal? …because his support group in the DOJ won’t ever make corporations take responsibility for killing people?
well…what do you get when you oppress citizens and ensure they have no legal way to stop you?
Democracy can’t tolerate arbitrary homicide, but hey, whatever. I’m not the one in charge.
Democracy can’t tolerate a lot of things that are actively happening. Most of these things are legal, and frankly, with all of the suffering and murderous actions, concern trolling over the single time the shoe is on the other foot in class warfare is about as dumb as Trump supporters thinking that because Trump was indicted that they’re coming for them next. I felt safer with the murderer abroad. Everyone without gobs of money or perfect health should have.
I find it a bit hypocritical to complain about murders while advocating murder. No problem on my part. It’s not that I care. It’s something that everyone has to debate with their own conscience.
I don’t think it’s hypocritical to want someone committing a 9/11 scale murder yearly while a legal system nods in approval to stop murdering, but from a low power perspective there’s not much to be done about that. The system has been changed from a justice seeking system into a class warfare tool by the elite. Change would be better, but in this system, change comes from above. If the powers within the system are scared, some of them will flee to the moral position to spare themselves the risk. Power that’s brokered through fear is still power, it’s peak liberal to say fear must remain untapped. They would and literally do kill people like us every day, empathy is precious in late stage capitalism, I’ll reserve mine for people who’s suffering isn’t karmic.
Actively killing someone =/= someone dying by an avoidable cause of death
The legal system isn’t created by the rich. Sure they can afford lawyers and have a higher influence in politics. The country is still a democracy but the people have to vote in their best interest to get better healthcare. Systematic change is needed, so the root cause. You could say by killing this guy all you’re doing is trying to treat a symptom of a broken system, even tho I would say his death doesn’t even fully do that. Its just one more death. An avoidable and unnecessary death. I don’t claim his corporate policies but murder like this has no place in a democracy with rule of law to change things. If a CEO started looking out for the best health of the customer it would be against the interest of the shareholder as it would make the company less profitable. A systematic change like unified public healthcare is needed. No private entities. No healthcare shouldn’t be tied to work.
You can’t claim moral superiority while promoting murder.
Someone died. Even if that’s a billionaire from health insurance, someone dying is usually not a good thing. What is good about this situation is how it has put class consciousness in the public eye in a way that it wasn’t before.
So you can applaud that this topic has come to focus of the public without celebrating a murder right?
Thing is, his death means he cannot kill anymore.
The company and system at large remains the same
I’m glad he’s dead and I know he’s burning in hell.
I agree about the gained consciousness, that’s a good thing. On the other hand, being I’m firmly against death sentence (even with a trial), what I don’t agree with is homicide. That’s not justice. It’s just vengeance. And it’s a very dangerous slippery slope.
So how do you suggest to solve the situation when there are a lot of people who should be in jail or worse but they are rich so the government justice system does not work for them? In the lifetime of one person who’s life was destroyed by the said evil person.
Elect representatives and use non-violent acts to shape public perception so the law is changed. If it is legal and he isn’t actively like murdering/torturing people I don’t think you can really argue he should be imprisoned. Just my take. Also, there are no “good people” and “bad people”. Its not black and white.
Killing them, of course. /s
Go head, buy a rifle and start your vengeance. Don’t wait for others to do it, if you’re so brave (spoiler: you’re not and you’re just talking out of your ass).
Don’t forget you wouldn’t even be privileged to have this conversation with the billionaires who conspire to rob and then kill us every single day. The coward talking out of their ass is the one who looks at a broken power structure and can only muster a meek, “not like this.” Save your speeches for those doing the real killing.
Yeah, man, whatever. This conversation is not interesting anymore.
People like you are dangerous to those of us actually trying to make a positive change. You’d sell out your fellow man to the elites if push came to shove and we can sense that cowardice in you. Don’t expect us to be stoked about traitors. If you don’t want to help then at least get out of the fucking way.
Homicide is wrong and it can be a slippery slope.
However, the system for dealing with monopolies/oligopolies is broken. Regulatory capture has occurred. The rich shifted taxes to the poor. And a Fortune 8 company continues to kill thousands of Americans and make massive profits from doing so.
The Paradox of Intolerance tells us that letting this continue will only result in the deaths of thousands more Americans. Tolerating this behavior results in more 1000x more American deaths and inspires others to profit off the pain, misery, and death of our fellow citizens.
