• kreskin@lemmy.world
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          sure is, because god knows the centrist dems havent learned a single thing from their loss and will play the same losing strategy they always do next election.

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            During the last election it was all “now is not the time to change course.”

            Well now we have over three years to re-tool the Democratic party into something that can win. But we still have people saying “Nooo we actually need Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and all these useless benchwarmers to win.”

            No we fucking don’t. There is plenty of time to make change. Unless you don’t actually want change from these conservatives in all but name.

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              “Nooo we actually need Chuck Schumer and Nancy Pelosi and all these useless benchwarmers to win.”

              No one is saying this. It’s more like “Voters have not been voting for progressives. If democrats primary more progressives, democrats will lose elections as much as progressives do. We can’t afford to do that against Trump.”

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                “Voters have not been voting for progressives."

                What this actually means is “we have not allowed the voters any progressives to cast votes for”. The people who really most care about voting for progressives are doing so, and are voting third party. This is by design. If the DNC fielded any actual progressives they’d likely receive such a flood of record voter turnout that the Dems would then have their hands forced into actually accomplishing something to the detriment of their campaign donors. This can’t be allowed to happen because then the money faucet turns off. They’ve been controlled opposition, running on a platform of “at least I’m not that guy”, for as long as I’ve been alive and I can only assume several decades prior. The momentum of the two-party system blocking out viable third party candidates is what safely allows this for them.

                Implement ranked choice voting now and we can rip this entire ugly weed up by the roots. Making the two-party megalith vulnerable will light a whole lot of fires underneath a whole lot of asses in the existing structure, as well as actually enable more than two political parties to exist in America.

                Unfortunately this change must come from the bottom up, because the DNC from the top down benefits from the status quo and won’t shoot themselves in the foot with this. This can’t happen until a suitable number of leftist/independent/third-party representatives are already elected for local and state office to successfully make the push for this in congress, which puts us in a fine catch-22 where we probably need RCV in order to elect independents but we probably need to elect independents to implement RCV.

                I hate it here.

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                When potential voters are polled on their view of progressive policies, they support them. It’s only when they’re labeled as Democratic Party policies that they lose.

                Draw your own conclusions about whta the Democratic Party is contributing.

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              It was a combination of foreign election influence, billionaire class and GOP propaganda. And in the end Trump won by 1.5%.

              Democrats can only do what the voters allow them to do. All the groups I mention above are actively trying to stop them.

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                Democrats can only do what the voters allow them to do.

                We gave them the means in 2020. They didn’t use it.

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            Don’t talk trash about the party willing to compromise with fascists on the open-source federated social network. You might make someone think communism is a good idea.

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        Voters: “Please stop funding a genocidal regime”

        Dems: “Nah, we’re going to stay the course. And how dare you speak out against it!”

        Yes, Trump has been harder on anti-genocide protestors, but it definitely started under Biden’s term.

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        Harris throwing the election by promising to continue Bidens war crimes is how trump got a second term.

        This silly narrative you like to push that progressives, muslims, youth, and almost every single other demographic of the dem base just didnt show up because they are irresponsible – that was always a self indulgent and victim blaming tantrum on your part. All these months later you are still at it. Harris could have chosen to win that election by acknowledging the genocide about 2 weeks before the general. She chose not to do that. No one made her choose that, she did it.

        If she was any kind of leader she would have been backing away from the war crimes her supposed “allies” were doing, but she chose to try to keep them as a dem ATM long term. That was idiotic and unprincipled of her and now we all get to pay for her lack of dignity, lack of planning, and lack of foresight. She’s the candidate, she was in charge. She lost.

        Your incessant sniveling and trolling will change none of that, so why do you bother everyone with it for months? Tiresome, bro. Tiresome.

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        TBH the way these posts keep popping up with everyone shitting on dems makes me think it’s a huge bot farm.

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          It definitely looks like that.

          I see the same accounts posting and interacting with each other and reposting the same content with the same comments.

          Pretty sus