Millennials been saying this since we were teens but were told to shut up and sit down
And we did…
It’s why I’m not having kids tbh
GenX been hammered this since we were kids ain’t nothing changing because we are all addicted to this course we are on including you and your generation.
The sooner we all admit it’s our habits that have collectively caused this the sooner we solve it but we all know that shit isn’t gonna happen so here we are. I feel sorry for my kids and hope one day it gets bad enough that we all agree to change it.
Do not blame private citizens for the actions taken by large corporations and governments agencies.
There’s plenty of blame to go around.
Private citizens are supporting shitty companies and electing shitty governments.
When there are only two shitty options to choose from, picking the least shitty option doesn’t mean they were the ‘good’ one.
issue is some countries and areas have viable affordable alternatives to planet destroying lifestyle habits, but people still chose to destroy the planet
The sooner we all admit it’s our habits that have collectively caused this the sooner we solve it but we all know that shit isn’t gonna happen so here we are. I
Can we acknowledge that most consumer habits are directly driven by the media and large corporations influencing people through news and advertising? Or that corporations have done their best to offload the responsibility for polluting the biosphere onto consumers, even as they knowingly peddled products that had direct damage to ecosystems and pushed habits that did nothing but make consumers feel better about the shitty products they consume (see plastic recycling).
Sorry but no. Many understand and hate this path yet there is little choice when the alternati-e is homelessness, starvation and/or jail
The study says that people will experience 18 heat waves in their life time, up from 11. A heatwave could be as short as 2 days, or a couple of days or longer. They worry that the temp. Could rise by 3.5C despite current polices will keep us at about 2.4C. It is a bit fearmonger-ey once you read the methodology. They are basing it if you live in Belgium.
The UK just had a “heatwave,” which was about 26C+ or so, still far from the highest of 34.8C which is the highest recorded in 30+ years.
Pollution is a bigger problem, with plastic being found in kids developing brains, for example.
Yeah because it’s Spring here in the UK. Getting 26 degrees C at this time of year, and for this many weeks in a row is insane.
Stop having kids. No, it won’t prevent the climate from going to shit. Yes, it will prevent you from creating new victims.
But… but… who will grow the economy so we can get the first trillionaire? Humanity has never existed with less than 2 billion people. Suggesting that lower than replacement birth rates are possible is eco fascist!!1 /s
The reality of closing schools, rotting infrastructure, and an aging destitute population that comes from population decline is going to be rough to live through. It’s good for the planet I suppose, but us humans living in this human system are going to suffer.
Budgets for elderly care are already getting slashed and more expensive thanks to neoliberalism. Where has all that abundance from growth gone?
The problem is not the population distribution, it is an economic system that is a giant Ponzi scheme constructed on theoretical infinite growth.
You know what’s worse than closed schools and rotting infrastructure? A mass extinction of species entirely caused by humans:
That’s a cool graph(?), where is it from?
https://www.pnas.org/doi/epub/10.1073/pnas.2204892120
It’s so cool, it’s actually chilling
But… but… in US, you get a whole $5,000 usd hehe
And a $20,000 bill for delivery
The only thing Evil (aka. suffering, disease, war,…) needs to exist is that ‘good’ people continue to have children.
And we’re STILL not willing to reign in capitalism.
We doomed ourselves. My pity is reserved for all the species we’re taking with us in this murder/suicide for short term profit for the avarice diseased. Those capitalists are by far most to blame, but no one that contributes to the capitalist machine, myself included, is without blame for the effectively permanent destruction of our COMMUNal habitat.
Unless you’re an eco-terrorist who has been actively trying to destroy the capitalist machine, the precious few good guys as far as I’m concerned if your goal is a viable habitat for our species at all beyond the next couple decades, we’ve all been seeing this oncomming train heading towards us our entire lives and done nothing of note.
We can’t keep living like we’ve been living, as gluttonous consumers with 78 kinds of plastic packaged cereal made a thousand miles away in any form AND survive as a species, and it’s clear which choice we’ve made. We aren’t willing to live closer to the land, to farm the food our community eats, to live small lives understanding we are subject to earth and not the other way around, so we gotta go so life can go on without us.
Humans are pretty resilient. I don’t think we’re going to go extinct, unless we do the nuclear winter thing, which I personally believe is inevitable on a long enough timeline. Short of that, we’ll see mass death and an extreme decline in quality of life, but we’ll probably, unfortunately, continue on as a species. Either way, we’ll end up destroying this planet eventually. We simply cannot exist in symbiosis with nature.
I’m not really on the fence about the bright vs dark future thing anymore, as you can see by my name. It’s pretty much guaranteed we’ve chosen the dark future option.
Blah blah ecofascist doomerism. We can live harmonically with nature and have for most of our history. Our current consumerist society isn’t compatible with sustainable and responsible practices but that isn’t a forgone conclusion or intrinsic to human behavior. That’s not to say that we aren’t on a bad path, we absolutely are and a great many organisms are going extinct because of us, but ascribing a moral value to our very existence is the wrong move.
Not true. Humans always reproduced to the absolute limit (set by their agricultural technology and the bodies of women). The reason why this didn’t wreck the environment is because that limited population was too small to turn 50% of land into farmland, they didn’t know how to burn large amounts of coal and they didn’t have the technology to produce harmful chemicals.
But i agree that humanity (or any other species) has no value. Saying humanity has value is like saying the white race has value. It’s pure aestethics, it’s not worth it to make anyone suffer for that.
Humans always reproduced to the absolute limit
My understanding is that this is not true. The big factor seems to be infant mortality, as that drops so does the average number of children per breeding pair.
Turns out you are right. At least on the surface.
- While the actual birth rate was 4.5 to 7.5 before 1800, the effective birth rate was about 2.
- Women’s mortality was also not the problem. The probability to die in child birth was '‘only’ 0.5%
But if we dig deeper, we find that only 10% of children made it to their 20s, and the reason for that was famine and disease.
So those that kept the population growing lived under conditions where the reason why their children died was because they could not feed them or keep them healthy. And if we take the 0.5% of maternal mortality, and apply it to those responsible for the population growth (those that made it into their 20s), we get a rough estimate of 50% effective maternal mortality. So it was the agricultural technology in combination with war, disease and child birth that kept the population low.And that’s what i meant: They lived in a situation where 80-90% of their friends had died of famine, disease and war, and under these horrific conditions they still produced 4.5 to 7.5 children per woman, which kept the population growing (slowly). As soon as that limitation was lifted, the population shot up.
Personally, i don’t see any planning in that. They just had as many children as they could before they died, not worrying about how they would feed them.
Human nature is game theory driven by greed. Billions of people are too much chaos.
Only in a social framework that rewards greed. “Human nature” is almost impossible to understand because it can’t be studied with a control group.
Incinerating the planet in the name of profit is a very recent concept.
Capitalism in its current form has existed for the last 2% of human civilization. 5% if you count mercantilism as a form of capitalism. For the vast majority of history, people owned their own means of production.
You are giving our species too much credit. For almost all of our history, we merely lacked the technologies capable of terraforming our planet against us for short term profit.
If the kings and feudal lords of yore had the capability to burn the long term future to goose their short term greed disease hoards, they would have.
We’re a gaggle of monkeys just barely capable, with great effort, of devising tools with complexities and consequences we’re still far too primitive to wield responsibly, nothing more.
I’m of the opinion this is one of those theoretical Great Filters that explains the lack of a loud universe filled with the signals of other civilizations.
Evolution is slow. If complex life is common and eventually leads to intelligence, maybe there’s just a common chasm between when when a species becomes… clever enough, because we’ve proven as a species we aren’t intelligent… To split atoms or otherwise alter the habitat of their world technologically, but still sit biologically in the tribal, zero sum, rival monkeys have to lose so we big win! mentality that is necessary in nature but harmful to a civilization, that inevitably leads to self-destruction.
What was the FIRST thing we sought to do with the awesome power of the atom again? Wasn’t even a hundred years ago. That’s who we are. We could have made a warm light for all mankind, instead we made big boomie boom rival monkey tribe, wheeeeee!
I guess feudalism was technically not capitalism…
It’s gonna be awesome when we’re old and need end of life care and the younger generations are too poor to help us and too stupid to help us even if they weren’t poor.
We’re headed into a very, very stupid and depressing future. And it’s 100% avoidable.
Welcome to COSCO, I love you.
Maybe that was a little too much Patrick
*was avoidable, by taking steps 25-40 years ago. Boomers took us right over the edge of any cliff they could find, again and again.
This is actually optimistic. They think kids are going to grow up.
They think people these days can afford to have kids.
We will have to teach that there are five seasons now: spring, summer, inferno, autumn and winter.
Storm, Flood, Heatwave, Fire, Dust, Blizzard
With our powers combined, we call Captain Pollution.
Naw, where I am we mostly have SMOKE
No really
Smoke is part of every depiction of hell, so ‘Inferno’ is still applicable.
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Thank goodness my second child isn’t due today.
Umm actually this is just woke and we should have more children for racist reasons /s
Tell that to Africans, and to a few South American countries, they are the only ones who are not crashing and have a viable replacement rate above 2.1… and then some.
If you were really concerned about over population that is what one would do, but no one here would have the guts for ideological reasons or for fear of being even remotely perceived as possibly a racist. Despite objective statistics. /s
Where did they say anything about “overpopulation”?
This is depressing but let’s bring your map into context.
Now it’s even more depressing because that means humans have been using children as a tool to create social security, knowing full well that most of them will suffer and die at an early age.
It’s a pyramid scheme played with (literally) innocent people at the expense of an insane amount of suffering and death.
I’m 42 and I’ve been told this like every 5 years or so.
And have you not seen things heading in that direction? I’m 57 and I sure as hell have.
Oh yes definitely I’ve seen it slowly going from bad to worse, I guess i meant to say that I’m tired and exhausted from it. And from no one in power actually wanting to do anything about fixing it.
Fun fact! The people who control who is in power!
The people don’t want change. They want their luxury, their excess. Even at the cost of the world.
Bernie Sanders has been screaming consistently about it for decades.
That’s on the people to vote for people who actually care.
Green parties rarely win, and that’s on us.
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YES WE FUCKING KNOW
Shit, just what I want to read while my girlfriend is in labour.
Just tell her to try and hold things in until tomorrow, that should help.
Congrats!
Thanks!
15/05/25 or 05/15/25 for the Americans is a good day to be boring though.
Thank you MAGATs for destroying our country and the world.
It’s capitalism.
Oil companies have known about this shit since the 70s and there’s been billions spent to manufacture your consent, keep the current power structures, and prevent change. Both parties maintain that status quo, don’t forget that.
We’ve known long before that: https://bigthink.com/the-present/1912-climate-change-prediction/
Not just MAGAs, this is on the whole world. I feel like they’ve been talking about and warning about global warming for all 39 years of my life now and most of these clown nations still have vague targets set for 2030, 2040 etc. Head clown Trump might be helping speed it up now but no one has approached this with any particular urgency. Our world leaders are just as effective at fighting climate change as they’ve been fighting misinformation on Twitter and Facebook.
I personally think that if there is a future where we write history books, our current crop of leaders in the world today are going to go down as the absolute worst and most useless sacks of shit, that sold out their people to both fascism and climate change.
This would have happened with or without them. They introduced other problems, but we were already headed to climate collapse before this year.
“Winning!”
Lol, not mine. Good fucking luck to you chumps living below the arctic circle though!
No your kids will get anthrax and all the viruses that are now stuck in the permafrost and will revive once they are thawed.
You’ve been watching too much TV. Besides my little corner of the arctic doesn’t have permafrost.
Damn you, Scott!
And people say I’m somehow selfish or pathetic for not wanting to give any possible kids an undue burden, even assuming they are a white cis-male able-bodied person, the exact thing a fascist wants in this nation.
It’s just foolish or genuinely spiteful to have kids in this time. Even if you can give them a good childhood, healthy, happy, nothing wrong with em at all, you can’t fix the climate.
I’ve never thought that anyone was selfish or pathetic for choosing not to have kids, but it’s odd to suggest that it’s foolish or spiteful to have kids now.
Kids now will face climate change, but their lives will be better than the vast majority of their ancestors. Imagine if your ancestors decided not to have children because they were worried about food insecurity or warring tribes or sabre-toothed tigers.
The earth would be in much better shape if my ancestors decided not to have any children
That’s indisputable.
However I think you can understand why others like myself would prefer that humankind has existed and continues to do so.
Lol yeah, cuz an unlivable planet is pretty much the same as a predator.
Suggesting the planet will be “unlivable” is hyperbole. Maybe read the article.
I did. Did you? The authors were discussing a best-case-scenario and weren’t factoring in the climate tipping point, resource wars, or any of the social effects of broadspread climate change, and even then the conclusions are pretty fucking stark. But do go on about natural predators and people fighting each other with sticks.
So not “unlivable” then.
Lol. Go pretend to have an argument somewhere else, bud
No you are.
If there was a meteor about to destroy all life within a year, bringing kids into that would be widely acknowledged as unethical. Many people believe that doesn’t change just because the timeframe is longer.
There is no existential threat like a meteor though.
Sure, climate change is a big deal. It’s going to cause famine and war. We need to take action to address it both in the short, medium, and long term.
However, climate change is not going to make earth uninhabitable.
Ah yes, the environment being fucked, causing issues with water, weather, crops, animals, is exactly the same as if you wondered off, you might have been attacked by an animal.
Dumbest take possible. Don’t have kids, you’ll spread your stupidity and doom them to the climate change holocaust.
I’m not suggesting that tigers are the same as climate change.
Merely pointing out that despite the challenges presented by climate change kids today will enjoy a must better lifestyle than almost all of their ancestors.
So uh what do I call what we are living in right now?
The calm before the storm.
What we’ve got now is peanuts compared to what kind of future we’re looking towards.
yay.
