As a hiring manager, I am absolutely floored how many people do not actually have this information on their resumes. So while most people would assume a lot of redundancies between the form and a resume, I can assure you that many people do not have this information readily available on their resumes.
That’s easy to say when you aren’t bombarded with 800 resumes submitted from headhunting call centers out of India for every job.
The purpose of these forms is to figure out which resumes are worth reading. It puts all the relevant information for a first-round elimination in a standard format.
Once the 80 percent of applicants that aren’t worth any consideration are eliminated, you can start looking at the actual resumes.
Sorry to say but you hiring managers don’t know jack shit about hiring people. You have zero clue as to what qualifies an employee. Always asking the wrong questions.
The reason why corporations have a hard time finding talent isn’t because a lack of talent. It’s because the hiring process is a joke. But then you’ll complain that no one wants to work anymore.
The amount of top talent you toss into the bin because you don’t know what questions to is staggering.
then why ask for both things? just have a checkbox to indicate that the information is in the resumé, and if it isn’t then obviously they shouldn’t be hired since they either can’t read or don’t give a shit.
Why do you need to know where I went to school if I have years of job experience showing that I can do the job? Education seems only to matter if someone is newly graduated and without real-world experience. And high school? Wtf?!
Thousands of applications and only dozens of jobs.
Imagine a world where there are countless open job reqs and only one applicant per job. That might be the case if the world population was not 8 billion.
I honestly think ATS are a pain in the ass simply to filter out the people who won’t deal with bullshit. They want people who will live with bullshit working for them because the org is (always) dysfunctional.
Alternatively… their HR technology team is just trash because it’s run by HR and not someone who knows technology. Seen it plenty of times where shadow IT is being run by people who don’t know what they’re doing beyond “we need this thing.”
I just joined a fantastic team and within a month I saw how dysfunctional it is. Nobody knows how to organize humans. Whoever actually figures it out could rule the world.
I’m seeing some hostility towards you as a hiring manager which is rough, because hiring manager is not necessarily HR. It often means the manager of the person being hired. So the person on a specific team responsible for filling positions on that team. I’m not sure if you directly hire for your team or it’s an HR term in your case, but just adding this here in case it helps someone not be rude to a random person on the internet.
Also, as a person who hires people on my team (I don’t use the hiring manager title, but yea) it’s ridiculous how awful some resumes are. We don’t use hiring software, and I personally review all the resumes, but we are a small team so I totally understand why that would be used. The overlap of people who don’t like filling out the forms but who also want to be evaluated on who they are rather than what’s on their resume is a circle. I don’t want to dismiss anyone who doesn’t have a degree, but just because a degree isn’t on the resume doesn’t mean they don’t have one. Plenty of people leave off the years they worked at a specific job. I can assume months or years, but the form would help clarify that without wasting anyone’s time. Decisions have to be made somewhere and if people want to be judged by people in their field, then their full time job will likely not be hiring, so sometimes they use these forms for standardization purposes. I don’t like them either, but they are not this evil thing they are made out to be.
I appreciate your response. I am a cog in the machine and I work within the limitations of the system in which I work. My organization requires data entry into fields such as this example. I have no control over this. I would assume it is to have some sort of standardization, as there is no “standard” format to resumes. I have seen resumes come through that is a narration of their job experience, one that had a sentence or two, one that completely left off any relevant job experience, many that don’t have call back information. As I mentioned in my original post, I have been absolutely floored at what people believe to be acceptable. I hire for professional jobs, ones that require degrees and licenses, so these people should “know better,” especially as I have nothing to go off of except what you share with me. I want to give qualified people jobs! But if your best foot forward is a sloppy mess, what makes me believe you have the skills to do the job?
Because I know if a hiring manager talks to me, they are likely to hire me, but if I write down that I didn’t graduate college, then they aren’t going to talk to me.
Same. Didn’t even finish high school because credits wouldn’t transfer and I’d graduate after my peers. Got a GPD and started college while my friends were in their senior year. Didn’t finish, but I took some classes.
The greatest lie ever told to me was that without a college education, I’d be worthless. Thanks Dad. That really fucked me up in my twenties. I’m extremely qualified and I learned to recognize it, but boy did it create some imposter-syndrome for a while.
As a hiring manager, I am absolutely floored how many people do not actually have this information on their resumes. So while most people would assume a lot of redundancies between the form and a resume, I can assure you that many people do not have this information readily available on their resumes.
K so…don’t hire them?
That’s easy to say when you aren’t bombarded with 800 resumes submitted from headhunting call centers out of India for every job.
The purpose of these forms is to figure out which resumes are worth reading. It puts all the relevant information for a first-round elimination in a standard format.
Once the 80 percent of applicants that aren’t worth any consideration are eliminated, you can start looking at the actual resumes.
I don’t have it on mine. I finished high school (college) 20 years ago. There are way more relevant things to put in my resume than that.
Why do you even need to know my high-school?
We don’t need YOUR high school, but if the applicant is 15 you do, or at least would want it for work permit reasons.
I guess it depends on the job, but I feel thar a job that wants to know my college wouldn’t care about my high school.
To pull records.
I have been out of college for 15 years. Why the fuck do they care about my honkey highschool in bum fuck nowhere.
To discriminate against your bum fuck nowhere ass.
Jokes on them, I’m a white cis male, gonna take more than that to poke a hole in my privilege!
gotta see what juicy tidbits are on the old permanent record
I remember when they convinced us that that was a thing.
Sorry to say but you hiring managers don’t know jack shit about hiring people. You have zero clue as to what qualifies an employee. Always asking the wrong questions.
The reason why corporations have a hard time finding talent isn’t because a lack of talent. It’s because the hiring process is a joke. But then you’ll complain that no one wants to work anymore.
The amount of top talent you toss into the bin because you don’t know what questions to is staggering.
Truly abysmal.
“What would you say is your biggest weakness?”
STAR. The STAR format is my biggest weakness. Please everyone stop using it.
then why ask for both things? just have a checkbox to indicate that the information is in the resumé, and if it isn’t then obviously they shouldn’t be hired since they either can’t read or don’t give a shit.
Why do you need to know where I went to school if I have years of job experience showing that I can do the job? Education seems only to matter if someone is newly graduated and without real-world experience. And high school? Wtf?!
Then why do you need the resume if you just ask for it all again
Why do you need to build a system to capture this information from people that can’t read rather than just rejecting those applications?
Thousands of applications and only dozens of jobs.
Imagine a world where there are countless open job reqs and only one applicant per job. That might be the case if the world population was not 8 billion.
I’m saying why not just reject them if you have lots of applicants… Not sure I follow what you are saying.
Building the elaborate system to help them get last the initial pass of resumes only gives you more resumes to look at later.
I honestly think ATS are a pain in the ass simply to filter out the people who won’t deal with bullshit. They want people who will live with bullshit working for them because the org is (always) dysfunctional.
Alternatively… their HR technology team is just trash because it’s run by HR and not someone who knows technology. Seen it plenty of times where shadow IT is being run by people who don’t know what they’re doing beyond “we need this thing.”
I just joined a fantastic team and within a month I saw how dysfunctional it is. Nobody knows how to organize humans. Whoever actually figures it out could rule the world.
I’m seeing some hostility towards you as a hiring manager which is rough, because hiring manager is not necessarily HR. It often means the manager of the person being hired. So the person on a specific team responsible for filling positions on that team. I’m not sure if you directly hire for your team or it’s an HR term in your case, but just adding this here in case it helps someone not be rude to a random person on the internet.
Also, as a person who hires people on my team (I don’t use the hiring manager title, but yea) it’s ridiculous how awful some resumes are. We don’t use hiring software, and I personally review all the resumes, but we are a small team so I totally understand why that would be used. The overlap of people who don’t like filling out the forms but who also want to be evaluated on who they are rather than what’s on their resume is a circle. I don’t want to dismiss anyone who doesn’t have a degree, but just because a degree isn’t on the resume doesn’t mean they don’t have one. Plenty of people leave off the years they worked at a specific job. I can assume months or years, but the form would help clarify that without wasting anyone’s time. Decisions have to be made somewhere and if people want to be judged by people in their field, then their full time job will likely not be hiring, so sometimes they use these forms for standardization purposes. I don’t like them either, but they are not this evil thing they are made out to be.
Thanks for this completely sane interpretation!
I appreciate your response. I am a cog in the machine and I work within the limitations of the system in which I work. My organization requires data entry into fields such as this example. I have no control over this. I would assume it is to have some sort of standardization, as there is no “standard” format to resumes. I have seen resumes come through that is a narration of their job experience, one that had a sentence or two, one that completely left off any relevant job experience, many that don’t have call back information. As I mentioned in my original post, I have been absolutely floored at what people believe to be acceptable. I hire for professional jobs, ones that require degrees and licenses, so these people should “know better,” especially as I have nothing to go off of except what you share with me. I want to give qualified people jobs! But if your best foot forward is a sloppy mess, what makes me believe you have the skills to do the job?
Because I know if a hiring manager talks to me, they are likely to hire me, but if I write down that I didn’t graduate college, then they aren’t going to talk to me.
Same. Didn’t even finish high school because credits wouldn’t transfer and I’d graduate after my peers. Got a GPD and started college while my friends were in their senior year. Didn’t finish, but I took some classes.
The greatest lie ever told to me was that without a college education, I’d be worthless. Thanks Dad. That really fucked me up in my twenties. I’m extremely qualified and I learned to recognize it, but boy did it create some imposter-syndrome for a while.
I’m relieved whenever candidates demonstrate that they are less likely to correctly complete important tasks.
“Pick up this can…”
seems to me like this would be the kind of information that you would clarify IN the interview. But what do i fucking know. I’m just a person.