Based on the description on their site, the controller includes a built-in battery: "8.39 Wh Li-ion battery, 35+ hours of gameplay… "
That was disappointing for me. Specially condidering the Steam Frame’s controllers make use of AA batteries: “One replaceable AA battery per controller, 40hr battery life”
AA Batteries might not be as convenient to use, but being able to replace them is a great advantage. All my Xbox360 controllers still work fine, but none of my PS3’ Dualshock 3s.
The official docking station could be used to recharge (rechargables) AA batteries so the functionality could remain the same.
Why? A serviceable Lithium Ion is leaps and bounds better than AA, not to mention it would lead to people using disposable batteries and creating more garbage.
I mean I get the reason, but at the same time Li-ion is just so much better compared to NiMH and especially Alkaline. As long as its easy to open up and replace I’m all for internal li-ion batteries.
Yeah the issue is easily replaceable standardized sized battery, if li-ion started doing that, I’d be all in Li-ion band wagon for handheld consumer electronics, till that point I must agree with OP and i would keep demanding Aa batteries and use my niMH cells
Those cells are almost always standard sized prismatic cells, but the connector is often not standard if you buy a random cell.
If it’s not a standard battery design, then being able to replace it doesn’t matter as much. It would mean the company can charge excessive fees because their ‘custom’ battery is the only one that’s compatible with their product.
It very likely might be a standard size, you can buy prismatic and cylindrical cells in tons of sizes.
I’m alright with this as long as the controller is easy to repair, which Valve has been pretty good about with the Steam Deck.
If swapping batteries is a fast 5-10 minute process I have to do every 5 or so years, and the batteries are widely available and reasonably priced, that’s a win in my book.
and the batteries are widely available and reasonably priced
If they’re not a standard battery design, then they will not be widely available or reasonably priced.
It could be a 18650 or another lithium standard size and make everybody Happy. Easy to remplace and a bigger life than square sized batteries.
I agree. 18650 are a much better starting point standard than AA.
Like brands do with their tools. One battery for all kinds
Well, I completely understand your point. I also have rechargable AA batteries laying around, but I see it from this standpoint:
- The Steam controller includes this magnetic charging puck, which is a good way to make sure it’s always charged.
- It will mostly be used more or less stationary, sitting down in front of a PC. So even if the need arises to charge it this shouldn’t be a problem in many situations. This is vastly different than with the new VR controllers, because they will be moved around a lot and it’s not really realistic to charge them while using them.
- Many people still just use disposable batteries. Which is quite frankly just not good. So my best guess is that this connected with point two may be a leading factor for why they did it this way. I think a hybrid option (puck-rechargable battery pack or two AA’s) would have been awesome though.
- Valve’s repair policy was exceptional with the steam deck so I have reasons to believe that the battery for the steam controller will be available for a very reasonable cost. A very interesting question will be for how long.
All in all I understand your point, but it’s not a huge issue for me personally.
Valve’s repair policy was exceptional with the steam deck so I have reasons to believe that the battery for the steam controller will be available for a very reasonable cost.
Just to piggy back on what you are say, one of the engineers in the LTT video mentioned they want to team up with iFixIt again, just like they did for the Steam Deck. And I saw the back shell off the controller in one of the videos. The batter looks dead simple to replace. It’s wild to even imagine that a company in 2025 would be be consumer friendly.
I disagree so much. I never want another AA device.
The idea of using disposable AA batteries seems nice… Until the day you go to open the compartment and find they’ve leaked and corroded the contacts (or worse) in the controller. Regular lithium are ok, they do last a good long while, but not exactly the most eco-conscious choice either. Rechargeable AA take forever to recharge. Like seriously, we are talking all night for the higher capacity ones.
Rechargeable AA take forever to recharge.
So have some extra ones ready to go. They’re cheap.
I’m not sure what kind of black magic they employ, but I can charge three sets of 4 enloop pros in a day with the official charger, more if they weren’t completely dead. I’d been using an older charger before and it would take 10+ hours for a single set with that thing.
Even cheap Ladda from IKEA recharge in mere hours now.
Same!
I like how 8bitdo did it.
They gave you a rechargable battery pack that could optionally be replaced with AA batteries.
Best of both worlds.
I have a headtorch like this. Keep it charged and most of the time everything is good. But that one time when I’m out skiing at night and shit goes wrong / I run out of charge it’s OK because I have a couple of AA’s in my bag as spares.
that’s honestly the best move, even if it is more expensive it’s totally worth it.
Hell, these corporations could even make more money selling you additional packs you could swap if you didn’t want to use rechargeable AAs. It needs to be the standard, it would keep so many controllers out of landfills when their batteries go bad. Microsoft kind of does this with the standard Xbox controllers, but in typical Microsoft fashion they make your first rechargeable pack a separate purchase. I’d still way rather have that than the built in batteries though.
This is a strange argument to me. I just don’t get it.
So. You have the controller, advertised 35+h life on a single charge.
Unless you’re some sort of gaming machine, even a no-lifer sleeps.
We’ll do a crazy minimum, you sleep 4h a day. that’s 20h for gaming. You plug it in when you sleep, a time when no one will be using it and it can be “tethered”.
if it’s a straight line (it’s probably not) 20h/35h gets you down to 42% battery.
Even 2-3 years later, battery should be between 70-80% capacity. If the minimum after a full day of usage, from charged, is 42% from the 35h estimate, in your worn 70% capacity battery you’ve still got more than 15% spare between days, after accounting for years of degradation.
And then, after using it for 3 years, you might have to contemplate using the hated screwdriver and replacing the battery. And this is only if you’ve been no-life wrecking this controller for that long. It’ll be much better from “regular” gaming usage.
I think this just comes down to undisciplined people, who can’t manage to plug their stuff in routinely. I really can’t see any other logical reason to feel this way.
And even then, for the people who can’t do charging regularly, and don’t want to worry about being tethered to a charger/their machines, a $10 power bank from a gas station fixes this issue. I charge my controller from a phone charger, already next to me, whenever it needs it. No one says that you have to explicitly plug it in to whatever you’re playing on.
Personally, I think even giving the option of using disposable batteries is irresponsible on the designer’s end. Everyone talks about rechargeables, but there’s still going to be a percentage of people who just use disposables.
This does make more sense for the frame controllers, as when they die, there’s no good/safe way you can still use them, and have them plugged in. even with a power bank the cables are, at best, ungainly, and at worst, an active safety hazard, as you swing them around you while not being able to see them. I’ve tried using index controllers wired to a power bank I was carrying, and it wasn’t good.
This is a strange argument to me. I just don’t get it.
We have a universal, standardized, cheap power cell. To this day you can use the same type of power cell in any low power device since it was standardized, going all the way back to things made in 1947. We then made it reusable for hundreds or even thousands of uses a piece, and they still only cost a few bucks.
We then replaced it with millions of different single-purpose batteries that are only compatible with one thing each.
People keep trying to gaslight me into thinking this is somehow better.
but there’s still going to be a percentage of people who just use disposables.
Make them illegal, and I’m not kidding.
No one says that you have to explicitly plug it in to whatever you’re playing on.
You do if you want it to connect to the thing you’re playing on.
Unless you’re ok with a shitty Bluetooth connection. But I’m guessing few people comparatively are using that, at least as their primary use case.
You can’t tell me playing with a Bluetooth controller doesn’t actually hurt you. The constant latency is excruciating.
Then again, I use it for mostly real time- based games.
If you’re playing something like Balatro it probably doesn’t matter. But for almost everything else it sure does.
I use Bluetooth on TrackMania with no issues, and that’s a pretty fast game. Top 500 in the country for this week’s shorts as well so it’s clearly not my limiting factor.
Maybe for a twitch shooter it’d be an issue but that’s kbm anyway
So… is it an obsession to want to be at least <100? Asking for myself. Send help :D
I get consistently better results on steamdeck vs PC due to lower controller latency.
I haven’t tested my controller but I’m pretty sure it’s under 100.
If you want to remove most latency I think the best option is still wired, just get a long cord that reaches easily.
For one, as far as I know that’s a single player game. Anyone with other players around means constant slight readjustments, and having everything you do held back (even if only a tenth of a second- I don’t know the actual number, that’s a ballpark guesstimate) really adds up.
For almost every game it doesn’t matter a whole lot. But when it does, it really matters. Bluetooth headphones pad the audio a smidge too, to the point of rather play without sound instead of late audio. It causes constant sending guessing, and if you’re using both your leaky playing in a game state that’s already past (although when online you always are anyway but cutting as much out as possible is miles better).
Trackmania requires the same precision as other racing games (I also used controller for Forza horizon and motorsport).
Bluetooth audio is a different issue, where my bt speaker adds like 400ms which… is not suitable for anything where accurate sound matters. Even my bt headset that is meant to be good is uhh… flawed. But noise is far more obvious than a controller being a tiny bit out.
My controller I can’t tell the difference.
A couple of things, first no, I don’t feel the latency of a Bluetooth controller. But also the steam controller will be able to pair to multiple devices, in one of the interviews one of the engineers said “The steam Machine has its own antena, but each controller comes with its own puck, we expect the common use case to be to plug that to your PC and use the steam controller in both devices”
I have to say, this situation has improved enough that I’ve had no problem using BT controller connection.
We’re talking about games like Elden Ring, Enter the Gungeon, MGS:Snake Eater Delta… and reaction time definitely matters for those games. One controller even came with a 2.4ghz 1000hz dongle, and it seems the new controller will probably have an option like that if the GabeGear has the hardware built into it: “Steam Controller’s wireless adapter is built right into Steam Machine for direct pairing.”
I realize that. But that’s just for that machine, but I’m speaking for arbitrary devices.
The protocol hasn’t gotten faster in the last few years that I know of.
I’ve used several with different devices, but most of my direct comparison experience is with an Xbox series X controller paired to the Deck via BT and by dongle, and it’s very noticeably more laggy with Bluetooth. I’ve only occasionally tried others, but every Bluetooth-connected controller I’ve ever used definitely has a noticeable delay.
But the controller comes with the high speed wireless puck. That puck works on anything. I don’t see the problem.
My point (the part I quoted in my original reply) was that you would need the puck plugged into the device you’re playing on, assuming you don’t want to deal with the delay.
So if that’s not a problem for you, then that doesn’t apply, but I assume most people will want the fast connection.
You do if you want it to connect to the thing you’re playing on.
Unless you’re ok with a shitty Bluetooth connection. But I’m guessing few people comparatively are using that, at least as their primary use case.
Okay, but I think that that kind of misses the broader context. This only came up as a hypothetical for how one could discharge a controller. If you’re playing on a wired connection, then the console is charging thr controller and the issue never comes up in the first place.
No, this came up from talking about how it (the puck) doesn’t have to be connected to the device you’re playing on. Which outside of Bluetooth or using a steam machine, you would have to have it connected.
Directly wired hasn’t come up at all until you just mentioned it.
The overwhelming shortsightedness of thinking highly polluting AA or AAA batteries are a better choice over a LiON solution pack because one needs to unscrew a couple of screws to replace it is completely unreasonable. AA or AAA are a stupid ask for a controller, it’s unnecessary waste.
The overwhelming ignorance of rechargeable NiMH AA batteries is completely unreasonable. It’s so nice when my Xbox One controllers die to just simply swap batteries, and throw the existing batteries on the charger. That said, you’re not alone with that ignorance, those massive packs of single use AAs at Costco must sell to someone.
Heck, the Xbox One and newer controllers have replaceable battery packs that charge using the controller’s USB port. You don’t even have to swap them. All the advantages of a built-in battery, but when they crap out, it’s like $15 and 30 seconds of work to replace them.
Only for so long as the manufacturer makes them. AAs don’t have that problem.
But then you can replace them with AAs, and all you lose is the USB recharging. Best of both worlds.
If AAs are also an option then I have not complaints about the system.
Or they could have included them with the controller at-cost instead of making us pay $15 to $30 (the official battery packs are $30) PER CONTROLLER - many of us have more than one.
Considering the price difference between an Xbox Series controller ($40 on frequent sales) and a DualSense (rarely below $70), maybe they did.
Let’s compare against msrp please.
Why? The price you’re actually going to pay is what matters. Though even if you insist on MSRP for some reason, the DualSense is $75 and the Xbox controller is $65, and you can get these for $25 MSRP ($18 actual) for two, making the Xbox controller barely more expensive if you have an even number of them.
If you compare the prices today, the Xbox controller is $50 compared to its $65 MSRP and the DualSense is $74 with a $75 MSRP, so you can get two battery packs and a controller and still pay $68, $6 less.
Classy, tfw when people who don’t understand energy density and recharge cycle count, pitch in. Moar stuff, moar polution. Don’t know how to lower the bar further on the point.
edit: love the US defaultism, I guess I shouldn’t expect much…
We’re talking about a controller here, not a smartphone. Rechargeable AAs are more than capable enough for these kind of devices. Not everything needs to have the energy density that Li-ion batteries provide.
No they are not, some of us left mom’s basement and live normal lives, that means we can only play every once in a while. Rechargeables hold charge like shit, even modern ones. My old F710 or G305 were experience enough with Li rechargeable batteries. Never again.
Huh? Rechargeable AA and AAA batteries and chargers are highly affordable and work great. I only have a few items where I don’t use them like smoke alarms. For everything else I use rechargable and absolutely love having devices with easily swappable batteries.
Yeah but most people don’t buy them. If you release a product that uses aa batteries most people are going to buy disposable ones and most of them will not dispose of them properly and just throw them in the trash. Some people using rechargeable AA batteries is nice but it’s better to just remove the option for disposable batteries and make it with a builtin rechargeable battery.
So make disposable AAs illegal or tax them like cigarettes, or charge a core fee like they do car batteries. Those same people you’re talking about will throw the controller in the trash when the battery craps out. We’re making disposable junk either way at this point.
Also, if they made it so you could swap lithium packs that would be a better option than AA batteries.
Agree wholeheartedly.
Meh. As long as the lithium battery is as easy to replace as it was to perform other Steam Controller repairs, it shouldn’t be a big deal.
Think about how many AA batteries will end up in a landfill over the lifetime of the controller VS the typical lifetime of the lithium battery. The AA batteries lose every time.
Think of it like this: You can replace the battery once every two years (if the controller lasts that long in your sweaty ass hands 🤣) or you can replace the batteries every month… 24 times, adding 48-96 batteries to the landfill in that time.
Why wouldn’t you get a pack of rechargeable AAs and a charger? $30-40 investment and you never need to buy batteries again, you don’t generate waste, and can go from 0-100% power in seconds.
OP might but a majority of people won’t, thus contributing to the landfill issue compared to if the controller just came with a rechargeable battery.
And a fair number of people will just throw the controller away when the battery wears out instead of replacing the battery like they would if it had AAs. If you’re talking about the lowest common denominator, there’s going to be a lot of waste either way.
Plus, you can definitely swap out AAs in five years (or ten, or fifty). Whatever Li-Ion cell they use may or may not be easily available.
Well the rechargeable AAs will wear out just like an internal battery, but there’s more of them and they’re individually packaged. It’s a bit more waste and a bit more money, even if it’s not a big difference.
Personally I think the big difference is in usability - I’d rather just leave the controller on a charger when not in use and never have to worry about swapping cells in and out. (I think battery degradation is overblown - it should last way more than 2 years, especially if you aren’t gaming for 20 hours straight)
Not quite true. Rechargeable AAs aren’t as durable and Li-ion battery packs. So you would still end up replacing them more often than you would replace the internal battery.
0-100% instantly isn‘t really needed with the canvenient charging dock. AA accus suck most of the time anyways. Now if it used an 18650 or better a 21700, that would have been cool. But these are heavy and a replacable inbuilt battery is better for space management
Just have replaceable Li-ion batteries.
Reading these comments, I have to say that a number of users of this community have very strong views on batteries.
Like, I would not have expected as many people to get upset as did in a discussion over batteries.
No, what we need are lithium batteries in the form factors and power outputs of traditional batteries.
Those exist, but they’re really expensive and not very good. Lithium needs circuitry to get down to the 1.5V of a nickel battery, but that circuitry takes up a good chunk of the available space in an AA.
the 1.5V of a nickel battery
NiMH are 1.2 V. You’re probably thinking of alkaline.
Warms me heart to see the next generation of idiots supporting planned obsolescence.
In a world where every household has rechargeable AA batteries, absolutely - but until and unless we successfully regulate away disposable batteries this solution (internal battery, easy to replace thanks to Right to Repair) will likely remain the most realistic, environmentally friendly one.
Before you start establishing a working group to assess the impact of creating a commitee to judge the effect of switching to replacable cells, what if…
What if the companies just packed a few universal rechargable cells with their product? I meam the charging circuit is already a part of the design.
…lol, yes! Unless it’s the EU, they managed to get on the USB-C standardisation pretty early - there’s a chance we might see something like this out of them before 2050 🤞🏻
I do worry about the Monkey’s Paw nature of capitalism though, with the regulations on vaping here accidentally causing a surge of ‘disposable’ vapes equipped with lithium ion batteries - ending up having something similar occur as a result.
Duplicating charging circuits also seems a bit wasteful, especially if manufacturers cheap out and use the lowest quality components - rather than having a high-quality centralised GaN charger or similar.
world where every household has rechargeable AA batteries
What do you need AA batteries for? And why do you think the whole world also does?
You have missed my point entirely. OP is disappointed that the Steam Controller doesn’t use AAs, while the Steam Frame controllers do.
Easily replaceable, rechargeable batteries are the best solution we as a society currently have for electronic devices. We can’t force people to not use disposables - so internals like that on the Steam Controller is the best-fit solution currently.
As an aside, we currently have ~20 or so AA Eneloops in circulation in our household currently, from TV and AC remotes, to children’s toys, to IOT devices.
You are right. Thank you for replying.
Personally I only always buy those enegizer alkaline batteries. Didn’t know you could recharge them, might try next time. I’ve almost usually always chuck them in the bin.
You cannot charge those, please do not try unless you like the smell of burnt chemicals or a house fire (or both), alkaline batteries are not rechargeable. There are lithium rechargeable batteries with the same form factor (AA, AAA, etc.) or if you use older ones there are also NI-MH or NI-CD (really old).
Just to clarify, the alkaline batteries like below are not rechargeable, and if you try you will have a bad time:
Energizer have their own range of rechargeable batteries, that look like this:
If you have an IKEA nearby, their LADDA (I think?) branded rechargeable batteries tend to be a quite affordable entry point.
