• fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de
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    8 months ago

    Actually it’s well established and well understood political science, ironically you’re just rejecting it as “vibes-based” because you don’t like the vibe.

    Yes political donations are a problem, but the inescapable fact is, the more people that vote for the dems, the more they will move to the left.

    Sadly, your position is precisely that which conservative proponents would have you adopt. Well done.

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      8 months ago

      No, the Dems will never become Socialist, as they would lose funding and thus power. It takes a lot to run a party, after all.

      Leftist change has always happened thanks to outside pressure.

      I’m not telling you not to vote, I’m telling you voting will never be enough.

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        8 months ago

        Well… it’s true that the dems “will never become socialist” due to voting but it’s also true that America will never become socialist due to activism.

        Socialism to any meaningful extent is not achievable in the foreseeable.

        Voting is the most efficacious method by which to effect meaningful change.

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          8 months ago

          America can only become Socialist due to activism and outside pressure, and likely will over time as Capitalism declines. Voting won’t make it happen.

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            7 months ago

            So your plan is to wait for Capitalism to decline? That really just confirms that Socialism is not achievable in the foreseeable future.

            Just going to say it again… Voting is the most efficacious method by which to effect meaningful change.

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              7 months ago

              No, that’s not my plan, and it’s remarkably dishonest of you to put words in my mouth.

              I am simply stating that meaningful change has always happened with outside pressure, and not via voting. I am not arguing against voting or arguing for waiting, I am arguing for touching grass and organizing. Voting can be a part of that, but if you want actual change, it will never be enough.

              Socialism in the US is absolutely achievable in the near future, but will happen eventually whether the Empire wants it or not.