I couldn’t agree more. And I don’t think I’m being hateful here, I just honestly believe that monsters like that should get locked up for good. If they prove that they’re a danger to other people (in this case, young, innocent women) and society by doing something so heinous, they should get jail for life, not writing essays…
Can we all agree on this?

  • captainlezbian@lemmy.worldEnglish
    18·
    3 days ago

    I think calling it ruining their futures is an unfair framing. It’s applying justice blindly, rather than giving even more to those who’ve already been given everything.

    I had a lot of sex and a fair bit of drugs and alcohol in college, but I never did anything remotely similar to these men because I’m not a rapist. These men made their choices, and if a preponderance of evidence can be obtained they’ll financially pay for what they probably did, and if the jury can be convinced they will face the penalties for what they did beyond a reasonable doubt. When all is said and done they’re free to rebuild their lives however they can and we should treat them as having paid their debts to society (barring any Brock Turner level punishment)

    It’s not like they left the victim with an easy future.

    • KatakiY@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      2 days ago

      I agree with you.

      I just wanted to point out something I think a lot of people don’t want to confront when they say something like"I’ve never done anything remotely similar to these men"

      You remember not having done anything like the men, and I assume you’re talking about the Cornell rapists, but the line is much more blurry than people want to admit.

      You don’t remember making anyone uncomfortable and I’m not saying the following is true for you because I can’t know… But social interactions aren’t a flow chart and feedback isn’t always clear and this becomes even more true when it comes to sex and emotions.

      Maybe you asked too many times and they gave in but to you it was once or twice. Maybe you misinterpreted a signal and they went with it half heartedly. Maybe they didn’t say stop or tell they didn’t want to because they were afraid it would ruin a good time. Etc. These are all things that could be labeled as sexual harassment and when sex is involved, rape.

      Shit can be much more nuanced, awkward and unclear and especially to people who have trouble reading social cues. Women are often afraid to say no because of the potential for violence or more commonly, the social consequences.

      It’s soothing to demand justice and see situations like that and feel superior to them but I would be willing to say that 90% or more of men have done something that goes right up to the line, especially in college when people are learning to be people and having their first sexual encounters and not having parents etc to hold them accountable.

      None of this is to defend rapists and idk the solution outside of raising my son to know what consent is and how important communication is.