• epyon22@sh.itjust.works
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    Say what you will the Iran war has pushed many people and countries to renewable energy.

    I honestly don’t completely understand the conservative agenda against renewable energy it allows independence at so many levels. Never have to see a gas pump again. Use the electricity from your house or a solar panel.

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      I honestly don’t completely understand the conservative agenda against renewable energy

      Because they’re owned by the oil companies, simple as that.

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        2 days ago

        This, 100%.

        Trying to tie this to any aspect of conservative “ideology” is misguided, because conservatives don’t have a consistent ideology.

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      UK here, I had solar panels and a battery installed. My electric bill has gone from being £100-£150 a month down to £20. And that’s with an electric car.

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        Estonia here, electric bill ~300 EUR in the winter here, once I get the entire house heated using a heat pump and get an electric car, it might be more like 600-700 EUR. But solar panels are useless in the winter here.

        Meanwhile in the season where I could have solar panels produce all of my electricity, my bill is well under 100€ and I couldn’t sell the electricity to the grid either unless I have a big ass battery to sell only at night when the price is actually a positive number lol

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          Are you sure about them not working?

          Its been cloudy here all day and they were still generating a kilowatt per hour at around 11am.

          Also, we have tariffs here where electricity in the day is more expensive but its dirt cheap at night. So when the battery needs it, I top it up overnight from the grid. 10kwh costs me £0.80p (1€) instead of £3.50 (5€). Do you have anything like that?

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            That far north the winter nights are long and the sun less intense. Still, they’ll make some power, even if cloudy.

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          Mount your panels vertically, and just get more of them. The panels are the cheap part and as long as you stay under the max open voltage you can keep adding more to match your inverter

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        But green energy represents independence on a national level as well, should be a no-brainer for any given ideology.

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          Well no, because some ideologies require people to be dependent and easily controlled so that they won’t discard the ideology for being garbage.

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      I think there’s a very simple explanation, the renewables as in solar and wind energy generation methods show that the world isn’t perfect, that even ignoring the basic notion that natural gas and coal generate CO2 emissions; natural gas, U-235 (used for nuclear power generation), and coal are of a finite supply.

      That destroys their ideology that we live in this perfect world with infinite resources, because most conservatives come from a religious background. They are beyond condescending (I know this because I lived in one), even with the world crumbling from gas prices and food, I don’t think they’ll even give a damn that prices are exponentially growing. They live in this fabricated environment abstracted away from the rest of the world.

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        We have enough minable nuclear fuel to sustain our current power needs for a couple billion years. And with enough technological gains, we can extend that to well past the time that the sun has died. Hence, it is safe to consider it renewable.

        Doesn’t invalidate your point, but I just wanted to point this nugget of info out.

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          Each uranium rod has a life of around 6 years before needing replacement, the relative abudance of uranium-235 is about 0.9% compared to uranium 238 which has 98℅

          Sure, the decay chain of uranium 235 is long, but the usability of in converting it to nuclear power the uranium rods last 6 years, not billions.

          Even if we take all our uranium-235 reserves (which is about 56,304 kilo-tonnes of uranium-235)

          1.) It’s unrealistic because we use U-235 for other things 2.) This is a global reserve. Countries haven’t made peace with another yet.

          I know niche points, i’ll admit I really dug through the barrel with this one. Nuclear power plants are also quite expensive to maintain and build since these are often built based on the selected site. Also very inefficient as each reaction loses 1.4 neutrons (or else kaboom).

          These reasons are why (despite it generating 17℅ of the US electricity with only 92 reactors), countries don’t invest more into nuclear power. Inefficiency + large costs make it unappealing compared to wind which generates 40℅ or even 60℅ (with offshore) of the energy the wind pushes.

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      Comrade Trump has made public statements on the billions the US oil industry has profited during his reign.

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      1. It’s change from the norm they’ve grown up on. Change is antithetical to conservatism.
      2. Identity. Conservatism is more tribal.
      3. Red team vs. blue team - if it harms the “other” then it’s probably good. With a helping of “I want you to hurt like me” mixed in.

      We lost the conservatives when Carter espoused it and Reagan dismissed it.

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      I think at this point it’s fair to say that they are just dumb as fuck. Imagine for a second you live in your house, that generates it’s own electricity, the electricity is used to heat your home and water via heat pump. The same electricity is fueling your car over night. Electricity is out, no, not for you it isn’t.

      Somwhow they got convinced that this is terrible, your car doesn’t make a loud wrooom anymore? Fuck you! Then they take away the gas stoves that gives them cancer? NO!

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      And that’s where we realize that the two party system is hollow and doesn’t actually represent anything other than greed

      If the GOP actually stood for tradition, we would go back to single income households

      If the GOP actually stood for self-determination, anyone could change their gender on legal documents

      If the GOP actually stood for hard work and personal responsibility, taxes would be proportionately higher for the mega rich, and the working class would be getting proper compensation

      If the GOP actually stood for the 2nd amendment, Alex Pretti wouldn’t have been shot to death simply for having a gun on his waist

      If the GOP actually stood for Christianity, there would be homes for the homeless everywhere

      If the GOP actually stood for isolationism, then this country would not be practicing genocidal foreign policy

      And if the GOP actually stood for small government, well there wouldn’t be this whole… craziness

      Edit: why the booing? If I’m wrong then tell me why you think that

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        Any downvotes are people thinking you’re promoting “they’re both the same”. Though I’m not sure why you called out the two party system and only highlighted the GOP.

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          Well we’re on the subject of the GOP, so of course I’ll be focusing on their contradictions. If I gave the democratic party a similar treatment then I’d be writing an essay