I’m gonna be that guy in the thread this time, but my only thought is “is anyone at all surprised by this?” It has been a presupposition that it would be Biden vs Trump in '24 since the rule of law broke down Jan 6 and never made peep of its return.
We can talk about the steps we took to get here, but everyone, Everyone knew it was coming, in their guts. We just hoped we were wrong. We were not
I’m not surprised, but I am disappointed.
Not surprised. What I saw that I haven’t seen mentioned in the handful of news articles I’ve seen about this is that pretty consistently Biden was winning the Dem primaries with 80-90% of the vote with the remainder scattered among a few other options, maybe protest votes of a kind, while Haley was taking 30+% of the Republican votes. I don’t honestly know how this compares to previous primaries. Could this be an indicator of some red reluctance for Trump? Will there be a similar follow through in the presidential election to tear Republican votes away from him?
Here in deep red farm country I can share my own personal observation.
30% seems about right. You’ve got your hardcore Trumpers that would back him if he were caught on video raping a 12 year old. They’d search, “Trump rape video real?” and comb through 400 or so top results all saying he did it, it’s irrefutable, and then they’d find a site that links to something like truepatriotredwhiteandbluebaldeaglefreedomforever1776foundingfathersconstitution.com and they’d take whatever it says as the holy and sacred truth. You know, because the deep state and all that.
Then you’ve got those people (like my uncle) who happen to be very religious and feel totally threatened by the satanic trans cult of gayness and black power. They don’t want Trump, they’re scared of his foreign policy, but they believe most of what he says is being said just to upset people. They’d rather get Haley, but it isn’t gonna happen. They’re going to vote for Trump because Jesus don’t like gay people and shit like that.
I would say (anecdotally in a place that voted more than 80% for Trump last time around) that around 5% of those people will sit the election out. The other 25% (probably less here honestly) who want a sane candidate still don’t want a democrat. If it means sacrificing our country to fascism, so be it. Most of them don’t believe that will happen though. They’ve been fed alternative facts and they’re convinced Jan 6 was ain tee fuh and the election was stolen.
Gods help us. Jesus, Buddha, Allah, Krishna, and anybody else that wanna look out for us.
The fucked up thing it’s people are voting for him, so I truly don’t know what’s actually most fucked up…
The Grand Old Party is dead
And “Democratic” party has a much less subtle meaning
Seems when both parties in a 2 party-dominated system have unpopular candidates, the horse race ends up being purely about who turns off their base the least. Not who they impress or win over, but just how many votes one doesn’t lose and the other does.
As a European I always felt the US doesn’t have enough choices on their ballots. However, now is not the time to change it. First, the US democracy must be defended. Only after that it can be optimized.
Honestly, stfu. “Nows not the time to change it” has been an excuse for far too many elections now. If we don’t start changing it now we never will. Pacifism and apathy is just as bad. It will never be a great time for change because by it’s very nature, change is hard. If it were easy, we’d be doing it already.
The best time to plant a tree was 10 years ago. The next best time is today.
Bush became president after losing the popular vote and then started a war that killed over a million people.
What fucking democracy?
Republican voters continue to live down to my expectations, I see. Fuckin’ embarrassing.
I love how the Left and Democrats pretend that corruption and crime doesn’t effect their party…
