I’m done, I’ve been banned for expressing a different opinion (without insulting or personally attacking anyone), I’ve been accused of evading a ban with multiple accounts (this is my only account I’ve ever had on any lemmy instance), I’ve had people selectively ignore my comments and accuse me of things which I never said, and I’ve had people ignore valid criticisms and keep attacking me.

Reddit has many issues with trolls, one-sided discussion, and just general bullshit, but many Lemmy instances are way worse. The newfound freedom of Lemmy has attracted many extremists, from both sides, and many of them are moderators, who are more than happy to remove any contrarian opinions. This results in discussions being echo chambers

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    Lemmy (and reddit to a degree) is not like other social networks where you are lumped into one giant community. It’s many communities, and you’ll find that you are welcome in some and not welcome in others. That includes your politics and your views.

    I don’t think I’d be very welcome in a community of conspiracy nuts, especially when I counter everything they say. I think they would remove me from that community at some point, and that’s okay, self policing of communities is okay. Sometimes you aren’t welcome.

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      Yes and that’s what I like about Lemmy. Each community decides what it’s about and how it’s members behave. It’s not much different from communities in real life.

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      This, there’s some crazy people no matter where you go.

      For example, yesterday some loon was attacking another poster because he viewed it as, anti-American. Suffice to say, it was not and he misconstrued what was said and he was humanly incapable of admitting wrongdoing. His response was to make burner accounts and downvote bomb the user.

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      You have a strange definition of fascism. I’ve poked around in those instances to see what the fuss is about. They’re super far left and very much ideologically opposed to fascism. They’re something weird, but they’re definitely not fascists.

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        They idolize left authoritarians. And their talking points are summed up by if “the west” says it, the opposite is true. And they will argue with you.

        So fascism is a term that is thrown around incorrectly a lot, blocking these people does help improve your Lemmy experience.

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          Based on my observations, some of them support present and past left-authoritarians, but most don’t. They’re definitely critical of the west, but I think there’s room for that criticism here.

          It’s kind of funny when they post about Ukraine. They’re anti-NATO and anti-Putin, so they sometimes seem confused which side they’re on.

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            That is your confusion, my friend. You think you have to pick one of two sides, and they know differently.

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                Right. It’s not a 2-party conflict. There are two countries, but within each country are many groups of people with wildly different priorities.

                For example… Does a military general worry much if one farm house is destroyed? Of course not. But the farmer sure does. We can argue about whose fault it is, Russia or Ukraine, but that doesn’t bring back the property.

                • Sure, but subdividing isn’t particularly useful in this case. Russia quashes dissent with jail time, effectively creating a cohesive group through violence. Ukraine is a united front because it has to be. If someone were to begin talking about dissidents, that’d be an entirely different, and valuable, conversation. Speaking about the farmer whose barn was torched and grain stolen is still, to most, just talking about Ukraine.

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      Digg is ironically decent as a random article curating site now, no voting or anything just whatever the owner wants up.

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    Mastodon’s got some professional machiavellian gaslighters on it, I promise you.

    Until some Fediverse portion grows spine-enough, and methodical-systematic-process-enough, to mitigate the malevolent, then they always will win.

    That’s how Natural Selection works.

    That’s why most natural/wild mammals are filled with parasites & things, in their “utopian heaven”.

    We do have the potential to do better, but it requires a bedrock of spine & uprightness, of carefully blocking malevolence, & not-permitting it to own/torque our world.

    I’ll not “hold my breath” waiting for it.

    Considered-reason’s the toughest position to hold-onto, as ALL ideology/prejudice wants it obliterated, left & right, theist-religion-ideologies & anti-theist-ideologies, ALL want their ideological/prejudice supremacism.

    The Great Filter, it is called: a world-species reaches adult-technology while still fundamentally unconscious-mind toddler.

    Consequences are … “expressed”/enforced.

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    I agree, it is impossible to hold a contrarian view in a lot of subs. The mods and the user base on Lemmy have a very narrow range of their views than the spectrum that you find on Reddit. It is basically an echo chamber in a lot of subs.

    The active user base is also soo much smaller that a handful of posters can be seen in certain subs. I see the same people posting over and over at a much higher rate than I saw on Reddit.

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      So are you posting good content to help the issue? Or are you just posting “contrarian” opinions?

      I’ve never had a problem being banned and I argue with Tankies and Right Wing Chuds all the time (well I mostly just block the Chuds). It sounds like your comments are just bad enough to warrant a block.

      I have detailed comments about how both Hamas and the IDF are bad. Here’s one: “Hamas is a criminal organization that is terrible at government. It’s Israel’s fault for letting them grow to be so dangerous. The IDF and Hamas are both bad for the people of Palestine and Israel.”

      No ban!

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        In my experience your views aren’t really contrarian to that of the majority of Lemmy users and mods. Your pretty mainstream and vanilla here.

        Try taking a pro Israel stance or pro 2A stance and see how long it will be until you are banned even if you follow all sub rules.

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          Why would I take a pro-death stance? If you are being dumb, people are going to tell you. Welcome to the real world. Free speech doesn’t mean people have to listen to you.