• N_Crow@leminal.space
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    9 months ago

    I’m not american. Why not bring your phone? Around here as long as you have a legion of people pointing cameras at cops they’ll not outright beat you senseless since it’ll be impossible to lie about some bullshit justification about how you did something first.

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      9 months ago

      One, it’ll get smashed anyway. Two, if you manage to get away, they’ll work with your provider or location based apps to prove you were there and arrest you. Or, force you to unlock it so they can arrest your contacts. Filming them barely helps, there’s so many videos of cops beating the shit out of people with no justification, who have been identified and never faced any repercussions

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        9 months ago

        You. Cannot. Be. Forced. To. Unlock. A. Phone. With. A. Password.

        (In the United States)

        If you are caught with your phone in a bad situation, fight to manage to get it to shut down. Android will be stuck in a locked out state where biometrics are disabled. Im sure iphones can do something like that but rethink bringing your stupid iphone to a protest. Ask for a lawyer. Do not talk, do not answer questions, do not say anything else.

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      9 months ago

      Why not bring your phone?

      Your SIM/IMEI are tied to your ID. The police can visit you at home later. Details depend on the country.

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          9 months ago

          Don’t trust the surveillance device to turn off because you ask nicely. Leaving it at home helps sell the idea that you weren’t at the protest you were at.

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              9 months ago

              If you have an iPhone you can go ahead and try Flight Mode right now. You’ll see that it disconnects from WiFi and disables cellular. NFC, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi stay powered on, Bluetooth stays active. Yes, latest iOS has Bluetooth tracking protection on by default (varies by country, illegal in some), but it is not completely safe. I’m not sure about NFC and Wi-Fi. If you power the phone off it is unlikely to turn off the radios - they are needed for “find my iPhone” and similar features on Google and Samsung Galaxy phones.

              Overall you can’t be confident that your phone does not reveal your location and identity to “law enforcement”, especially in places where police is well equipped to track you.

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                9 months ago

                Find my phone doesnt work if your phone isnt connected to the network, let alone if its turned off. Stop spreading misinformation

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                    9 months ago

                    Funnily enough, mu iPhone doesnt say anything about that

                    EDIT: in the phones that do have it, the find my phone thing works using bluetooth. So still no data directly to the carrier

                    Your local police department doesn’t have access to this. And they don’t need that, they can just arrest you. You are there in person. That’s the point of a protest.

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              9 months ago

              I’m pretty sure the SIM still connects to cell towers even if you have mobile data deactivated

              Edit: on most phones it prevents the connection but there are still other ways to track like GPS

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                9 months ago

                The GPS data will not be sent to the carrier, will it? And your phone will only be searched if they can tell its you in the first place. In which case you got caught physically there anyway.

                Also this no id thing is confusing to me. I guess its just american law. In many other countries, they just jail you until you tell them who you are.