• Scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech
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    3 months ago

    Facebook comments: Well obviously it was taken in the SUMMER 😂🤣😆 Morons global warming is all fear mongering!

    Yes Jim. It’s very normal that entire glaciers disappear, regularly in fact, every year. You are so smart, much smarter than all of the scientists who are panicking.

    • Soup@lemmy.cafe
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      Ummm…. There’s people right here on lemmy saying the same dumb shit about summer. Don’t think for a second that lemmy doesn’t host some of the exact same idiots Facebook does.

      • Draconic NEO@lemmy.world
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        Good news is that many instances on Lemmy are less tolerant to alt-right trolls and climate deniers. Best to use that report function so your admins, or even better, their admins, can snipe them.

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          Good idea. Though I generally don’t like to over-use the report function.

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            I guess depending on the instance it’s not necessarily over-using it, as the point is to report content that isn’t up to the instance or community’s standard. On some instance that includes disinfo, on others it doesn’t.

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        We are all humans, we are all dumb. A smart human isn’t one who knows everything, they’re one who knows what they don’t know and knows who knows that. And, ya know, defers to the people who know about things when they don’t.

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      The only issue that really matters to me is climate change. Or maybe plastic.

      But this is the same as the picture of the statue of liberty that is used to “debunk” sea level rise by showing the level at the same height, despite being taken 100 years apart. Were they taken at the same tide? Same time of year? Is there any other factor at play here?

      This is a “shoe is on the other foot” moment, and we should be as skeptical of that which supports our beliefs as we are of that which contradicts it. Maybe especially so because confirmation bias is a hell of a drug.

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            Were they taken at the same tide? Same time of year? Is there any other factor at play here?
            …we should be as skeptical of that which supports our beliefs as we are of that which contradicts it.

            Then what exactly are you implying?

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              Nothing, I explicitly said “we should be as skeptical of that which supports our beliefs as we are of that which contradicts it.” I don’t know how I could have made it more clear.

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                What does that have to do with pictures of a glacier obviously melting drastically in a short time?

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                  It doesn’t. It’s almost like you are wilfully ignorant about thinking critically.

  • CeeBee_Eh@lemmy.world
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    Thank goodness they cleared out all that snow and ice so that we can finally see the pretty mountains.

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          It depends what. Plastic recycling is mostly a scam/fraud and does not fix nor change much.

          The industry has long known that plastics recycling is not economically or practically viable, the report shows. An internal 1986 report from the trade association the Vinyl Institute noted that “recycling cannot be considered a permanent solid waste solution [to plastics], as it merely prolongs the time until an item is disposed of”.

          In 1989, the founding director of the Vinyl Institute told attendees of a trade conference: “Recycling cannot go on indefinitely, and does not solve the solid waste problem.”

          Despite this knowledge, the Society of the Plastics Industry established the Plastics Recycling Foundation in 1984, bringing together petrochemical companies and bottlers, and launched a campaign focused on the sector’s commitment to recycling.

          In 1988, the trade group rolled out the “chasing arrows” – the widely recognized symbol for recyclable plastic – and began using it on packaging. Experts have long said the symbol is highly misleading, and recently federal regulators have echoed their concerns.

          Cited article, and the report’s source

          Recycling paper, metal and glass will help and make a difference, keeping in mind that we need to use less in the first place. However plastic recycling is broken by default, pretty much everywhere.

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            Captain Planets definitely going to shoot you. Maybe even turn you into a tree.

  • ⓝⓞ🅞🅝🅔@lemmy.ca
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    A reverse image search revealed to me that there are a hell of a lot of copies of this image around the internet, but I can’t seem to find any papers that provide background. I’m going to have to look again later, but if there’s any other internet sleuths out there interested in figuring out the origins of these photos with reputable explainers, I would love to know more about this.

    I’m always afraid of things like this that seem to confirm my biases without associated information to back it…

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        The Guardian article nailed it, thanks!

        It doesn’t cite exactly where they got the Greenpeace photo from, but I found it here: https://media.greenpeace.org/archive/Climate-Impact-Documentation-in-Norway--Svalbard-27MZIF4WNED.html

        Climate Impact Documentation in Norway, Svalbard Greenpeace documentation showing that glacier “Blomstrandbreen” has retreated nearly 2 km since 1928, with an accelerated rate of 35 metres lost per year since 1960 and even higher in the past decade. In the image, view of climate campaigner Truls Gulowsen on a speed boat going to a mine in Longyearbyen.

        Unique identifier: GP0STSCL6  Shoot date: 03/08/2002  Locations: Norway, Scandinavia, Svalbard Credit line: © Greenpeace / Christian Åslund

        A bit more from the Guardian article:

        Greenpeace activists visited the glacier last weekend on the Rainbow Warrior taking pictures from the same locations to highlight the effects of global warming, which the group says is a threat to the future of the planet.

        The Blomstrandbreen glacier has retreated by one and a quarter miles since 1928, according to Greenpeace. It was shrinking by 115ft a year in the 1960s, a rate which has risen.

        Recent studies carried out by US researchers and reported in Science last month said that 85% of the glaciers they examined had lost vast portions of their mass in the last 40 years.

        Keith Echelmayer of the University of Alaska at Fairbanks, who has carried out research into Alaska’s ice streams and checked glacier thickness, said: “Most glaciers have thinned several hundred feet at low elevation in the last 40 years and about 60 feet at higher elevations.”

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    yeah but it’s much more colorful now. that’s good, isn’t it?

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    That…. Is fucking tragic. There’s no going back to that. Ever.

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    I myself asked “What time of year was the lower photograph taken?” Then I realized I was being dumb, because if either photo was taken in winter time, we would see at least some ice in the water, if not a very large ice sheet.

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      Mother Nature: Dont worry humans, everything will be fine, life will go on. Your fucking this up for your self, and you wont be missed