I refuse to believe it’s “post”-truth. It’s a truth recession.
We have more overt fact-checking. if that trend continues, it can help push back on the patent falsehoods.
I’ll debate the goals and methods of one party vs another, and I’ll accept that one of them will have really bad ideas. Fact check the lies so they have to support their points on facts, that is, and I’ll accept it.
We have more overt fact-checking. if that trend continues, it can help push back on the patent falsehoods.
We don’t though. Fact checking after the debate is of limited use. If you don’t confront a lie the second it’s told, the liar will rapidly go on to tell more lies and you end up with a Gish gallop of bullshit which is what we saw from Vance and Trump. They got away with it. A fact checking article on NPR the morning after does very little.
To me, post-truth doesn’t really mean “everyone lies all the time”, rather it means that on contentious issues, there is no single perspective or narrative universally accepted as “the truth”.
In 2024, facts and information is so readily available that its possible to find “facts” to support whatever perspective or position you want, even disingenuously.
Just a few decades ago, facts and information came from news papers and the evening news on TV. There was no “choose your own adventure” nonsense.
That doesn’t really have much to do with trump and Vance, they just plain lie all the time and their voters don’t care, because they’re “low information” voters. That’s not really what posy truth is about IMO.
I largely agree with what you said but Trump and Vance’s lies are a contributing factor to our post truth world. They’re following people like Putin and trying to create an environment where the truth is malleable to the point of being worthless and people are conditioned to believe there is no longer such a thing as objective truth because that environment gives them the greatest chance of maintaining power.
We’re in a post-truth world. The corporate media have normalized candidates that just stand there and tell lie after lie with little pushback.
I don’t know how, or if it’s even possible, to get back to the days when lying assholes got treated like lying assholes.
We need to send the assholes to space, where they can go fuck up some other planet.
(Yes, I know what happened to the Golgafrinchans when they sent all the middlemen - or the ‘useless population’ - in to space).
I nominate Venus, I hear it’s nice this time of year.
See also Emergency Skin by NK Jemison.
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I refuse to believe it’s “post”-truth. It’s a truth recession.
We have more overt fact-checking. if that trend continues, it can help push back on the patent falsehoods.
I’ll debate the goals and methods of one party vs another, and I’ll accept that one of them will have really bad ideas. Fact check the lies so they have to support their points on facts, that is, and I’ll accept it.
We don’t though. Fact checking after the debate is of limited use. If you don’t confront a lie the second it’s told, the liar will rapidly go on to tell more lies and you end up with a Gish gallop of bullshit which is what we saw from Vance and Trump. They got away with it. A fact checking article on NPR the morning after does very little.
There is not and never will be anything called “post-truth”.
They’re just liars.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-truth
To me, post-truth doesn’t really mean “everyone lies all the time”, rather it means that on contentious issues, there is no single perspective or narrative universally accepted as “the truth”.
In 2024, facts and information is so readily available that its possible to find “facts” to support whatever perspective or position you want, even disingenuously.
Just a few decades ago, facts and information came from news papers and the evening news on TV. There was no “choose your own adventure” nonsense.
That doesn’t really have much to do with trump and Vance, they just plain lie all the time and their voters don’t care, because they’re “low information” voters. That’s not really what posy truth is about IMO.
I largely agree with what you said but Trump and Vance’s lies are a contributing factor to our post truth world. They’re following people like Putin and trying to create an environment where the truth is malleable to the point of being worthless and people are conditioned to believe there is no longer such a thing as objective truth because that environment gives them the greatest chance of maintaining power.