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        Trump may win election because he is more progressive on Ukraine.

        More “progressive” by… giving Putin what he asks for?

        If Trump wins, Ukraine can both say goodbye to any support from the US and watch as Trump lifts sanctions against Russia and turns a blind eye to any arms manufacturers that want to make a quick buck by selling to both sides.

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            Trump doesn’t want peace. He’s a narcissistic wannabe oligarch who licks the boots and sucks the toes of people he perceives as powerful.

            Whatever momentary “peace” comes out of his hypothetical second term is a consequence of dropping any and all support for Ukraine and backing away from defense treaties. He can and will give a plausibly-deniable green light for Russia to do whatever they see fit to “end” the war and annex neighboring countries. That’s not peace—that’s the setup for decades of violent revolutions with even more violent responses.

            Russia is only side in this war that has ever offered reasonable peace.

            Right, so: if I mugged someone and stabbed them, then offered to not stab them again if they let me keep their wallet and threw in their car keys as well, that’s peace?

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                A “deal” suggests there’s some sort of consideration for both parties. If the options presented can be boiled down to “give up your land” or “be shelled until we take it from you,” that’s not a deal—it’s a threat.

                Furthermore, you’re asserting that at least a regional subset of Ukrainians are fascists (“nazis”). That’s not a very nuanced stance, and those claims are not authoritative on their own, nor have they come with proof, let alone proof from an unbiased source.

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        That’s a weird way of saying Trump supports Russian imperialism and will encourage genocide in Ukraine in addition to the genocide in Palestine.

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          No genocide in Ukraine. Liberated regions will stay Russian, no NATO path, neutrality commitment. Can trade with EU/US if it wants, though Russia has expressed resistance to this. Likely referendums for what country oblasts wish to join, though Ukraine would resist this latter point, but just betrays what hated nazis they are in east and Odessa. Peace.

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            Liberated regions”
            “No NATO”
            “What hated nazis they are in east and Odessa”
            “Russia is only side in this war that has ever offered reasonable peace”

            How many rubles are they paying you to write this? If it’s more than zero, they’re overpaying. Nothing says subtle social media propaganda campaign like using Russian talking points.

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              Pro war people do it for love apparently, despite oligarchy profiting extensively and able to pour some trickle down on you, but no one can ever be against the human suffering and economic destruction, just at home, caused by warmongering evil without being paid to not support the demonism.

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                The United States is fucked up and run by the rich and corporations, that much is obvious to anyone who didn’t buy into the “American Dream” lies they try to feed us. But, that’s irrelvant to the discussion about Ukraine’s existence as a country independent from Russia.

                Last I checked, Russia invaded Ukraine and started this whole ordeal. Why should Ukraine be obligated to roll over like a dog, hand over their land and autonomy, and thank their attackers for not subjugating them further? Aren’t you against colonialism?