Hey, don’t get me wrong - I get what you’re saying, and nominally I wholeheartedly agree. I just ALSO feel that there’s a single, very specific exception: when a political movement inherently involves political violence (that is: fascism), this rule absolutely does not apply.
I get the motivation, I’m just sharing my opinion that I can’t follow, because I personally believe other innocent folks will be swept up and hurt in the process.
I am no friend of these maga types. I think people here are very angry about these people (edit like Fuentes… Rightfully so!, I am too.) and my comment is perhaps seen as “defending”? Him. I am not. I just don’t think this is the way to do it.
Again: I get what you’re saying. And again: I do nominally agree.
What I’m saying is that you’re looking at the trumpians/maga/proud boys/3%ers as “weird republicans”. They’re not. You need to be looking at them as NSDAP/Nazis/Sturmabteilung. Because that’s what they are. And the want to kill a whole fucking lot of us, because it gives them a hard-on.
Moreover, I’m not saying that we should be conducting overt, systemic political violence now, but I AM saying that we need to be fully prepared for that eventuality. And to that end, we should be looking to the Maquis, as well as the Polish + German resistance throughout WW2.
I see resistance against their ways as clinging to, and calling for maintaining norms (when norms are ethical, reasonable… I fully acknowledge even without maga MUCH needs to be improved in America). It is my belief that by normalizing their tools, we institutionalize their methods. We, by participation, make common what should be extraordinary.
It is my opinion that resisting fascist drift is resisting. Others don’t see it this way and are claiming I’m an apologist or something. That’s too bad cause fuck nick Fuentes. I just don’t like doxxing.
That’s cool, I’m learning a lot of folks here are at least conversationally cool with political violence. I get the urge, it’s just not my path. I don’t see doxxing as defending people, I see it as inherently terroristic because bystanders could be harmed, mistakes can be made, and it can be leveraged against at risk poeple. So I stand against it. I’ll be in my seat calling for peace, and looking after my community, even if it’s unpopular here. I see that as defending.
We have a right to defend ourselves including preemptively.
Do you disagree?
If so you’re accomplishing the same thing in the long run as the Nazis.
How does that feel to be basically siding with the bad guys because of your apathy?
Completely agree, I just don’t think doxxing is defense. Doxxing is akin to swatting and reddit boston bomber chasing. Bystanders are at risk and mistakes happen. It’s for those reasons I find doxxing unacceptable.
Please do not imply I’m apathetic, there’s no evidence for that. I’m not siding with anyone, I’m saying doxxing is not acceptable behavior by anyone, because of the risks.
Edit I don’t approve of when things like jurors on trump cases, or election officials are doxxed either, if you have some implication that I differentiate on who should be doxxed or something…
I shared my opinion that I’m not into normalizing political violence, even if they are already comfortable with it. I get y’all don’t agree.
Hey, don’t get me wrong - I get what you’re saying, and nominally I wholeheartedly agree. I just ALSO feel that there’s a single, very specific exception: when a political movement inherently involves political violence (that is: fascism), this rule absolutely does not apply.
I get the motivation, I’m just sharing my opinion that I can’t follow, because I personally believe other innocent folks will be swept up and hurt in the process.
I am no friend of these maga types. I think people here are very angry about these people (edit like Fuentes… Rightfully so!, I am too.) and my comment is perhaps seen as “defending”? Him. I am not. I just don’t think this is the way to do it.
Again: I get what you’re saying. And again: I do nominally agree.
What I’m saying is that you’re looking at the trumpians/maga/proud boys/3%ers as “weird republicans”. They’re not. You need to be looking at them as NSDAP/Nazis/Sturmabteilung. Because that’s what they are. And the want to kill a whole fucking lot of us, because it gives them a hard-on.
Moreover, I’m not saying that we should be conducting overt, systemic political violence now, but I AM saying that we need to be fully prepared for that eventuality. And to that end, we should be looking to the Maquis, as well as the Polish + German resistance throughout WW2.
We are aligned on what they are.
I see resistance against their ways as clinging to, and calling for maintaining norms (when norms are ethical, reasonable… I fully acknowledge even without maga MUCH needs to be improved in America). It is my belief that by normalizing their tools, we institutionalize their methods. We, by participation, make common what should be extraordinary.
It is my opinion that resisting fascist drift is resisting. Others don’t see it this way and are claiming I’m an apologist or something. That’s too bad cause fuck nick Fuentes. I just don’t like doxxing.
I used to think like you. Until last week.
That’s cool, I’m learning a lot of folks here are at least conversationally cool with political violence. I get the urge, it’s just not my path. I don’t see doxxing as defending people, I see it as inherently terroristic because bystanders could be harmed, mistakes can be made, and it can be leveraged against at risk poeple. So I stand against it. I’ll be in my seat calling for peace, and looking after my community, even if it’s unpopular here. I see that as defending.
Have a good one
We have a right to defend ourselves including preemptively. Do you disagree?
If so you’re accomplishing the same thing in the long run as the Nazis. How does that feel to be basically siding with the bad guys because of your apathy?
Completely agree, I just don’t think doxxing is defense. Doxxing is akin to swatting and reddit boston bomber chasing. Bystanders are at risk and mistakes happen. It’s for those reasons I find doxxing unacceptable.
Please do not imply I’m apathetic, there’s no evidence for that. I’m not siding with anyone, I’m saying doxxing is not acceptable behavior by anyone, because of the risks.
Edit I don’t approve of when things like jurors on trump cases, or election officials are doxxed either, if you have some implication that I differentiate on who should be doxxed or something…
I understand your opinion but your also the person they well just let someone take over the country then be like oh how did this happen.
Untrue. I never said do nothing, I am saying don’t do things that can hurt bystanders or popularize hiding at risk folks