YEAH, SEND THEM BACK TO WHERE THEY CAME FROM!!!
Oh that country does not want them? Time for the USA to force them like Columbia!
Would be funny of by this way the American natives found a loophole to recover the lands stolen from their ancestors.
Yes, apply 100% tariffs on all American goods sold in America, until they accept them!
Most Navajo aren’t even that dark-skinned. This is purely just abusing the indigenous because they can.
Because of course
Well, well, well, if it isn’t the mask coming off. You’re brown, you’re out. I’m shocked.
I worry for a cousin of mine.
He’s Vietnamese and was adopted by my aunt and uncle about 15 years ago or so. By all accounts he’s now a U.S. citizen. He’s in college. Doing great.
But he IS brown. I’m pretty sure my uncle voted for trump for some dumbass reason. I worry my cousin could be caught up in some raid at some point.
I’m white and hang out with mostly white people who don’t understand how scary this is.
I ask them if they can prove to me - right now - that they’re a citizen. Lots of them legitimately think a Driver’s License is enough.
I explain that it is not proof of citizenship and that lots of people have licenses without being a citizen. So if they were brown, they might be arrested based on their lack of papers.
And once arrested and sent to a camp, your ability to produce any documentation you may have diminishes to almost nothing.
Demand your white friends show them their green card or birth certificate.
If you think that’s a joke, ask around. I’ve been asked that twice in my life. But because I’m not Default American™, I have to prove a lot harder that I was born here.
Yup. Everyone is quick to forget how the US treated Irish, Italian, and Jewish people in past generations. There really is such a thing as “not white enough”, and when these jerks run out of people to pick on, that’s next.
And if they do, tell them, “no, the long form birth certificate,” since that was demanded of Obama (and it still wasn’t enough).
Also, a bad agent can just get rid of your passport. So carry a photocopy, and let the lawyer your family gets show up with the real one in court.
I have a pdf copy of my passport that I have loaded on my iPhone.
Get a passport card. It’s valid ID, proves you’re a citizen, and doesn’t have your address on it so cops and the fascists from ICE don’t learn where you live. Keep the original passport somewhere secure, like you said
Yeah, but that doesn’t effect them, so why should they care?
/s, obviously.
My cousin and his wife adopted their son from Guatemala. Great kid, growing up to become an admirable adult. They’re right-wing Trump supporters in the state of Florida. I know they voted for this shit, and probably don’t conceive of the idea this could ever harm THEIR son. But all it takes is the fact that he doesn’t look American enough to some racist in a uniform for him to get snatched up in a sweep. Really hope he doesn’t face this kind of harassment, but now its become much more likely.
Where are they going to deport them? The past, before the white man came?
Why would they deport a slave labor force?
As much ignorance and ill will there is behind this process, I’d guess Mexico.
I kept saying this would happen. Citizens will be detained and eventually probably deported. Because Trump literally believes that people can just have their citizenship taken away from them on a whim.
Yep, me too all because they were brown. Racism was always the point of Trump deportation stick. And fucking mega base is loving it. We can thank those who set at the election and the never Harris crowd for now all stuck in this hellhole. Except for FlyingSquid who luckily was able to escape. But fucking people had just voted he would had to escape which probably wasn’t easy.
It is not easy, but it is something I was lucky to be able to do. Right now, no job, my savings are running out, my wife (a librarian, risking imprisonment) is still stuck in the U.S., and if I don’t find anything in a couple of months, what I do have saved up will be gone and I don’t know what we’ll do.
But yeah, a lot of people will be worse off than us and I’m sorry.
As another librarian, it’s fucking terrifying work these days. We are beloved by the people but a giant target for this administration. I loved this work for decades but I’m about to flee for industry because I’m exhausted. We’re also not super portable, library jobs are hard to come by and those outside the US are hot right now.
I’m sorry too that you had to flee and go through your savings (which probably took lot time to even do) and start over in other country. I am trying to find work here in the states and having a hard time so I can’t imagine what your going through. I hope it works out for both of us. Good luck for both of us.
Thanks!
Are you a dual citizen? Otherwise, you would have needed a job, no?
I am a dual citizen. Which means I can legally live in the UK.
If I don’t get a job paying at least £29,000 a year, I can’t get a family visa. My daughter can legally stay here for six months without one, but not get any public healthcare. This has already been a problem. No doctor was available on time and she ran out of one of her pills and FedEx refused to ship it on time and now she had to quit it cold turkey and is feeling the effects. Thankfully, I can step her back up again when the pills arrive today.
Sorry to hear about your family troubles - hope it’s sorted soon. Shouldn’t your daughter be eligible for citizenship by descent, since you’re one? At least here in Portugal that is the case.
Unfortunately, no. She is eligible for permanent residency, but only if I make over the income threshold of £29,000 a year.
Huh. Interesting. I thought a child automatically inherits the citizenships of their parent a birth. Weird.
Just a friendly FYI, it’s Shtick or Schtick
It’s already happened in Arizona before. It’s why Joe Arpaio was convicted – contempt for continuing to profile and round up immigrants after a court told him to stop. Pardoned by Trump.
And even after all that and tent cities, he ran for office again. Didn’t win but the fact he was even allowed to try again is a major flaw in the system
Hey everyone! This person kept saying this would happen!
I mean why didn’t we just listen to this specific one commenter? They kept saying this would happen. As if no one else could have anticipated it.
When will we learn to listen to [random commenter].
Yeah, they were far from the only one.
Sir that is Mr Flying Squid. Hes kinda notorious around these parts.
Hundreds of people on Lemmy were saying it. Also it was common sense.
Just wait until you find out that Trump is a white supremacist who entertains Nazis at his home with private dinner parties.
What, you mean the racist people aren’t doing a great job verifying which brown people they are supposed to be looking for, and are just grabbing anyone? Shocking…well not that shocking.
The accelerationist fucks can all get fucked. We told you spreading anti-democratic sentiment and allowing those doing so to lie on social media would lead to shit like this but no, we had to be told we love genocide and be otherwise dismissed. We were fucking right and any rational, un brainwashed person could see it.
Inb4 “oh you can’t allow any criticism of Democrats. Duopoly, fascist. GeNoCiDe bLuE mAgA blahhh”.
Yeah we all can and certainly should be unloading criticism on democrats but when you’re headed to a country-ending election you are an irresponsible idiot if you can’t do it with the caveat that it’s extremely important to vote against trump. We’re reaping what these idiots sowed and it probably will mostly hurt society’s most vulnerable.
They’ve moved on to “it’s not my fault I chose not to vote, the Democrats didn’t promise me a pony”.
I’ve already seen “Trump is better than Biden, actually.” from ml.
I am still trying to get over “Trump is not as bad because all he is proposing is ethnic cleansing, which is not genocide.”
And you show them statistics about things like the Trail of Tears and how many people died and they don’t give a fuck.
Just like they don’t actually give a fuck about Palestinians. Palestinians are just pawns in their political games.
Source it then. Thanks for the links in advance.
Oh they already got ahead on that – I read “the democrats platform sucks so no wonder [fascism isn’t a big deal]” kind of shit for months before the election
for example: https://lemmy.world/comment/14231344. That was almost a month ago now.
They were saying this before the election, too: “Biden/Kamala are not perfect human beings, so I’m morally superior by not voting Democratic or voting for a useless third party! Look at meeeeee, I’m so very sparkly and special!”
Or worse, some of them even voted for donvict.
Is that a Vermin Supreme reference?
Blue MAGA.
Get rid of First Past The Post voting in blue states and get out of the way.
You lost your privileged position as the sole resistance against the republican party.
Proud of your handiwork I see.
Deleted what I had written in this comment. It’s just not worth it to invest energy going over this again. America is fucked and that especially includes people like me. The trans community is already facing widespread institutional violence like we never have before. Thanks to the rise of fascism. I wholeheartedly reject the need to blame a minority group for the problem and not those in power who actually ran on conservative pro-colonist ideology. This reality was arrived at with a Democrat in power. Electoralism doesn’t work.
I stand by what I said about accelerationists
Accelerationist here. Thanks for adding that word to my vocab!
Anyways, this issue is nothing compared to the war in Gaza, which is nothing compared global warming (which the Dems weren’t taking seriously)
Maybe I’ll consider supporting Democrats if they push a truly aggressive candidate. Until then, third party support from me
So your solution for Gaza is to pour gas on the fire while burning the US to the ground too. Cool.
If I give 100 fucks for climate change and 10 for Gaza, I barely give 1 fuck about deporting people. Until the Democrats focus on what’s actually important, I will not be supporting them
Yeah your attitude is objectionable and irrational on its face
Don’t engage the trolls, guys.
If you dont like what you see, that’s on you, not us. It’s your lemmy account. Take control, block them. Block me. Block .ml.
Don’t expect other people to change just for you lil special guy. Just like you shouldn’t expect people to vote for your preference.
This should be a competition on who can beat the Republicans the best, not blue conservatives vs leftists. That is… if beating Trump and the republicans is your highest priority. Is it?
Take control, block them. Block me. Block .ml.
If only it were that easy. Everyone knows you all have accounts in other instances.
Don’t expect other people to change just for you lil special guy. Just like you shouldn’t expect people to vote for your preference.
The irony in this statement is enough to stand on its own. There’s really no need to point it out any further, but it does beg the question:
Do you all seriously think we forgot the disruptive rhetoric you all posted leading up to the election? The incessant entitled demands that everyone vote for your untested, unproven, third party barely-above-zero-chance-to-win randoms?
This should be a competition on who can beat the Republicans the best
And it WAS. Or do you really think everyone was champing at the bit to be a part of that astounding 0% chance Shill Stein had of winning? You all had a chance to do exactly what you’re saying here- and the fact that you’re here saying this now considering how everything went down is a perfect example of why people blame you all for how things turned out.
dares to have non-liberal opinion
“Don’t engage the trolls, guys”
“Democrats aren’t perfect so I’ll help get the worst possible option elected.”
Third parties aren’t going to save us because they have no chance of winning. It’s not his fault you can’t see that. Not facing the reality we live in doesn’t mean you’re not still a part of it.
Why do third parties have no chance of winning? Please explain.
“Democrats aren’t perfect so I’ll help get the worst possible option elected.”
It would be untrue to deny this, so I’ll instead say that Democrats and Republicans didn’t really campaign on different platforms. Like sure, there were some minor differences in climate and rights, but Claudia’s platform was amazing. Couldn’t pass up on supporting that
Glad you voted for someone who best represents you. Who could possibly be against that?
I mean if I sum up the downvotes I got across my comments in this threads…
It’s not that, it’s that your opinions are objectively just a bunch of careless garbage that harms everyone. Get a clue about reality for once.
I’m gonna print this comment and wear it as a badge of honor
Shooting a dog is nothing compared to shooting a person, so it’s no problem if I shoot a dog.
This is the stupidest take I’ve ever fucking heard.
People don’t support hard progressives because they associate them with brain dead ideas like this. You’re part of the problem you hate. You’re just as bad as the fucking nazis because you’re helping their cause. And oh sure, it’s not bad now, but that’s what Germans said when those assholes were just starting to get moving.
Pull your head out of your ass and think in practicalities. Idealism should guide direction, but practicality should drive action towards that direction.
And I know this isn’t going to convince you. This is for the third parties reading this conversation. Don’t be like this asshole.
Edit: and fuck, if you didn’t now the term accelerationism before forming this kind of opinion, you truly have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. Go read some shit
Edit edit: and I think you still don’t understand what accelerationism means because it makes no sense in the context of climate change, which you’ve mentioned is a larger concern. Unless you’re making the assumption that at any arbitrary point climate change is reversible, which would also be blatantly uninformed. Fuck, I hope you’re not old enough to vote
Accelerationists helping accelerate global warming :(
Let’s say we’re approaching global warming at a rate of 10. Voting Republicans makes it go to 11, voting Democrats makes it go to 9.
I. Don’t. Care. if it’s the Republicans or Democrats who win. We need solidarity around saying “this isn’t good enough”, and we need people to vote third party until that happens.
You can sit there on moral high ground knowing you voted for Harris who would have been slightly better on climate, but we both know it won’t stop the collapse.
Oh you got solidarity alright. With the Trumpists, both malicious and uninformed, and the apathetic. In the end what you say about why you did it is immaterial, America is dead and your comrades and yourself gleefully killed it. You now want admiration for the murder. 🤮
With a different voting system, they could have the chance to transfer their vote to the democrats if their preference didn’t win.
Why are democrats saying no to these easy votes? Why arent they replacing First-past-the-post voting in states they control?
Don’t worry, now that you’ve destroyed the United States you can do anything you want. As long as it involves bigotry, genocide, and continuing to tongue Republican rectum
There was an option to buy the planet some more time, and there was an option to burn up the time.
That time could have made all the difference, but now we’ll never know, because some silly goobers decided it was worth burning the planet to own the libs.
So, following your logic, because things are worse elsewhere, we don’t have to be concerned about what’s happening in our country?
The point of accelerationism (imo) is to ignore these minor issues so they can bubble up until the root cause is addressed.
The root cause isn’t ICE, immigration policy or Trump, it’s global and national scale inequality where billionaires and mega corporations prevent wealth distribution and real change from happening. We need a party who is willing to nationalize corporations that break the law, delete the military budget, and make serious pushes for climate action the same way Trump is pushing Colombia to take back their immigrants.
Until we get that kind of change, we will continue bickering over a couple lives here and there while the whole system heads for collapse.
Yea… I don’t think you’re ever getting what you want at this point. If Trump has his way we’ll be set back another 50 years. You’re simply talking from a position of privilege because you aren’t getting deported. Must be nice to cosplay as cheguevara then go home and watch Netflix while America burns to the ground.
Then grab a rifle and head to DC
I wish I was a tenth the man Che Guevara was. World would be a lot better a place with more people like him
Yea the children and families he executed don’t share your enthusiasm
Why do you believe giving the extractors/tyrants free reign will lead to real change? What if it follows the same trend of the last 50 years of things just getting worse and worse, while a large chunk of our populace implicitly accepts the normalization of it?
As a person currently living in extreme poverty, I can’t afford to fight in a revolution. I don’t have a vehicle I would feel comfortable driving long distances, I have zero food security, and I rely on consistent access to medications I need to stay alive. I suspect these are realities people that want some sort of revolution are ignoring. A lot of people, possibly myself included, could die from secondary effects if we go that route. Personally, I would like to avoid a full on revolution as much as possible.
I understand your concerns, but a socialist president like Claudia de la Cruz signing executive orders like Trump would likely not being about a revolution in which people suffer and die
Cool. She’s lost in the noise of “other” that combined for 0.42% of the vote.
On one hand, yes she did. On the other hand, I’m still glad Claudia de la Cruz got 60,000 votes, and I hope she pushes for local elections in the meantime
Send 'em back where they came from! Oh wait…
When mass deportations started under Hoover it was common that American citizens were swept up and sent to the Southern border of Mexico. Many of them were children who would only learn late in life that they were US citizens. This continued through Eisenhower’s presidency.
Yeah I’m a white dude and back when I had long hair and didn’t understand civil rights I got illegally detained dozens of times. Profiling is real, and obviously POC understand this. But also, police have no respect for the constitution or actual rule of law and civil rights. Most of my worst experiences were from police forces in cities mostly ran by authoritarian neolibs.
My few experiences with city cops have all been negative. Felt like they were baiting for a confrontation. I don’t really like any cops, but city cops are the worse.
The lowest paid, the quickest hired, usually not from the community, and not used to people being armed and giving resistance since cities tend to have stricter gun laws. Exercise your 2a.
JFC, I hate this place so much.
Can the tribal leaders round up The Mayflower Society and deport them?
This is a feature, not a bug. They will get sent to camps.
“They are non-white. Put them on the next plane to Mexico or Colombo or wherever, and let them sort this out.”
An then just clean out the place? Trump is good at cleaning
Remember how he had minorities in his show? I would check out those people… See if there’s sheep in Wolf’s clothing or vise versa.
Where are they going to deport them?
Wherever they can
A shallow grave- or wherever they’re gonna deport queer folk to, too.
FEMA camps after they rebuild them to their liking.
However, he said that his office has not been able to verify or successfully reach a Navajo person who has been detained.
Half way down the (long) article
Above that,
“We now know that Navajo people and enrolled members of other tribes are being detained in Phoenix and other cities by ICE,” Navajo Nation Council Speaker Crystalyne Curley said during a committee meeting on Thursday. “The reports that we have received indicate that we need to coordinate an operation or some type of response to help our enrolled tribal members here on the Navajo Nation.”
On Thursday, Navajo tribal leaders reported that they have received calls and text messages from Navajo people living in urban areas who have been stopped, questioned or detained by ICE.
…
State Sen. Theresa Hatathlie joined the committee meeting virtually and shared her report and concerns in Navajo. Hatathlie represents the Legislative District 6, which encompasses the Navajo Nation.
Hatathlie reported to the Council that she received a call about a case involving eight Navajo citizens who were detained for hours with no cell phones or ability to contact their families or tribes.
So, multiple elected officials are independently saying in public they’ve received multiple reports of this happening, one is saying he hasn’t been able to speak to anyone who was detained or get any information out of ICE about what they’ve done. Since ICE and other federal agencies will lie about this stuff there are going to be a lot of situations where we can’t verify exactly what was done to whom right away.
