That’s why the best way to counteract that as a campaign would be to message about conditional military aid for a permanent ceasefire just before voting begins. That way AIPAC doesn’t have time to counter with attack ads. For context, it took AIPAC 25 million and 8 months to unseat 2 members of The Squad for being anti-genocide. Less people would hear about the pivot since it would have happened so late, but it’s still enough time to galvanize grassroots support and convince others to go out of their way to vote.

That’s not true either. The polls I linked take into consideration votes that would be lost, and it’s still a net +6.

For example, 79% of Jewish Americans voted for Harris. Or just shy of 4.6 million voters

25% considered Israel a major policy item. Or just shy of 1.15 million Harris voters.

Looking at how Jewish Americans views on a permanent ceasefire and conditioal military aid, a majority support it

52.5% support withholding military aid compared to 23% to disagree with that decision.

23% of the 1.15 Million that consider Israel a top issue leaves us with 230,000 Jewish Americans.

Even if we assume all of these Jewish Americans are Democrat, which we have no way of confirming one way or the other, let’s compare that to the uncommitted movement. Total uncommitted in the Primary was 706,591 (Which may have been undercounted). On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout. Which would reflect over 1,400,000 uncommitted votes in the general as an estimate. Considering how widespread anti-genocide sentiment is, I would expect more than that. But it’s not like we have any data, other than the current results.

I have no clue what you’re trying to say here

Why would I expect people who care about ending the genocide to stop caring about that?

Neoliberalism has been dragging this country to Fascism since Democrats went the way of Third Way Politics

How? What does blaming voters accomplish exactly?

If the Democratic Party is genuinely democratic, then they would respond to public pressure. If the Democratic party is not and instead only beholden to Donor interests, then we all have a much bigger problem where the interests of the American public is not represented.

It’s crazy how many prefer to blame the uncommitted movement, people who fought the hardest to change the Democratic Party’s unconditional support for genocide through every democratic channel possible, over the Democratic Party for refusing to change position, at the cost of critical voters in swing states.

I would expect a campaign who’s key concern is winning against a fascist to do everything in their power to win as many votes as possible.

It was the Harris campaign that made the decision to not break from Biden on Israel, at the cost of at least a +6 points gain. Those votes were entirely up for grabs. That’s the fault of the campaign’s calculations to ignore those voters, take them for granted, and instead run to the right with having the most lethal Military and unwaivering support for Israel a year into this genocide. That single policy change would have secured her the swing states needed to win the election. Biden is a Christian Zionist, the genocide and de juro annexation of Palestine is exactly what he wants.

I voted for Harris and told others to do the same. It’s still on the campaign to earn votes to win. If they took this election seriously, they would have been going after those votes. Blaming voters is just sowing division when we need unity and solidarity to fight against Fascism.

• Split Ticket (July 2024)

• New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)

• Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)

• American Attitudes: Shifting Realities After the Unfolding Genocide in Gaza (Nov 2024)

• https://instituteforglobalaffairs.org/2024/09/vox-populi-battlegrounds/#full-report (Nov 2024)

The United States Administration is the one enabling Israel unconditionally. Support for this genocide is bipartisan.

You don’t need to concede to their belief and subsequent policies if they aren’t grounded in reality, like on immigration. You provide a counter narrative grounded in reality that actually address their needs and concerns, real or perceived.

The Republican narrative on immigration is that immigrants are criminals, bringing crime and drugs into our country to kill our citizens, steal jobs, and exploit welfare, so we need mass deportations. None of that is based on reality.

US citizens are responsible for smuggling in drugs. Immigrants are responsible for less crime per capita than US citizens, use much less welfare than citizens, and contribute far more than they use. The underlying fear is cost of living and safety. So a counter narrative that both points out the realities of mass deportation, aka concentration camps, and provides real solutions to the problems, would absolutely capture those voters and fracture the Republican base.

Those real solutions would include legalization of illegal immigrants to stop companies from exploiting both them and citizens with a two-tier immigration system, increasing taxes on corporations and the wealthy to pay for universal social services, systemic solutions to addiction and homelessness, and increasing security to catch smugglers at points of entry. All of which are popular. You address their fears, improve their material needs, and point out how terrible the oppositions ‘solutions’ are, all without conceding to the Republican framing based on racist lies.

In fact, many progressive policies are popular across the board, including Republicans and independents.

Then the right move would’ve been to change on the position just before voting began so AIPAC wouldn’t have the time to respond with attack ads. It took AIPAC eight months and 25 million to unseat two anti-genocide representatives

The Democratic Party preferred to lose to a fascist over taking the election seriously and pushing for peace. Biden, who is a Christian Zionist, continues to send billions worth of weapons unconditionally, nothing about withholding military weapons to reign Israel in to a permanent ceasefire. Harris didn’t break from Biden on policy at all, ran on unwaivering support for Israel, ignored Palestinian victims and all the Americans that has directly affected, and campaigned instead on the most lethal Military in the world with Liz Cheney. It would’ve taken more policy changes than just on Israel to win the popular vote, but just that one policy change would’ve made them far more likely to win the swing states and electorial college

People don’t want to hear it but it’s true

So let’s see how you came to the number that millions of Jewish Americans would vote against Harris if she was in favor of conditional military aid in order to create a permanent ceasefire.

79% of them voted for Harris. Or just shy of 4.6 million voters

25% considered Israel a major policy item. Or just shy of 1.15 million Harris voters.

You think that since 25% consider Israel a major policy item that they all must be against conditional aid. Is that true? I wouldn’t jump to that conclusion. This statistic means that it is a prominent issue for them, not how. Let’s say it’s the #1 issue for them to make things easier.

Now let’s look at how Jewish Americans views on a conditional ceasefire

52.5% support withholding military aid compared to 23% to disagree with that decision.

What’s 23% of the 1.15 Million that consider Israel a top issue? 230,000 Jewish Americans.

Even if we assume all of these Jewish Americans are Democrat, which we have no way of confirming one way or the other, let’s compare that to the uncommitted movement. Total uncommitted in the Primary was 706,591 (Which may have been undercounted). On average, general turnout is twice that of primary turnout. Which would reflect over 1,400,000 uncommitted votes in the general as an estimate. Considering how widespread anti-genocide sentiment is, I would expect more than that. But it’s not like we have any data, other than the current results.

We just went through the numbers, no she would not have lost millions more votes. She would have gained net votes and enough to secure the swing states. Her decision not to cost her the election. We see the results of her not switching to conditional aid and it was Trump winning every swing state.

You’re trying to compare votes gained vs votes lost due to a policy shift in conditional military aid. We see a positive shift both generally, and very much so in swing states. If we’re comparing voters who would vote against Harris compared to voters who would vote for Harris with this change, we see that there would be enough of a positive shift to at least flip the swing states. We saw that there is less than 300k Jewish Americans nationally that would vote against Harris if there was conditional aid. The votes that would be gained by Arab Americans and the Uncommitted movement would far outweigh that, especially in swing states. The argument that the decision to not do conditional military aid was because of the Jewish American vote does not hold.

It does in the very least in swing states, as the polls show. Yet we see a net positive in both swing states and the general populous with a conditional aid policy.

You’re still assuming that conditional military aid, needed to end the genocide and begin a permanent ceasefire, is anti-israel. When it would be responsible for saving Israeli lives.

We know 22% disagree with withholding military aid. Out of the 25% that consider Israel a major policy item that would be 253,000 voters.

Why are you only including Palestinian Americans when this anti-genocide sentiment is also shared by the overwhelming majority of Arab Americans and Muslim Americans as well as the majority of the general populous?

Again, no. Look at the other polls I already posted. You’re also assuming that Israel is the number one issue for Jewish Americans. It’s 9th. It wouldn’t have taken half of Jewish American votes away when about 70% vote Democrat because of the overt antisemitism of the Republican party. All your doing is conflating Zionism with Judaism to justify the actions of the campaign

Well the polls disagree with you. As I mentioned in my linked comment, Over 51% of Jewish Americans Support for Biden’s Decision to Withhold Arms Shipments to Israel. So trying to justify the decision not to based on Jewish American voters is another way of conflating Zionism with Judaism.

You can read my thoughts on the mentality and choices given to people who’s foremost issue is anti-genocide here.

how was Harris supposed to appeal to them?

Conditional Military Aid or even Arms Embargo. It’s that simple.

It’s overwhelmingly popular with democratic voters, it’s even popular with Republican voters. It’s also a requirement under both international humanitarian law and domestic law (Leahy Law).

Because to me, if you’re outraged over Harris supporting Israel because of the Gaza genocide but aren’t even more outraged over this announcement, then your problem with Harris wasn’t actually her support of Israel now, was it?

I don’t know who isn’t outraged, or at least in despair, over this announcement.

The fact that, if Harris did change from the policy of unconditional military support, she would have certainly flipped swing states and won the election does absolutely make me mad too. Harris’ inability to pivot not only cost the election, but further galvanized Israel to continue and expand it’s genocidal actions more than they already have been under the Biden Administration.

It doesn’t? Why do you think that’s my view when I’ve already explicitly said I voted for Harris and told others to voter for her too. I’ve already said Trump is actively worse in all aspects.

Understanding the faults of the campaign in failing to motivate tens of millions of voters doesn’t change any of that. It is still ultimately the responsibility of the campaign to galvanize voters. Understanding why they failed to do that is what I’m doing