the difference is that discussions about robocop are exclusively about the original
if youre convinced the wolfenstein and doom reboots have the same impact and relevance as robocop (2014) youre entirely allowed to stay that way, im not gonna try and shake you out of it
I mean, if someone says “Doom and Wolfenstein” without specifying “Doom Eternal” and “Wolfenstein: Youngblood” (which I had to look up, BTW), I’m thinking of Id.
that makes sense, especially since Doom eternal is in fact still developed by id
Wolfenstein and Doom have both reached significantly more people since they got adopted by zenimax though, so most folks who actually played the games will have probably gotten introduced to them as Bethesda published games
“Wolfenstein: Youngblood” (which I had to look up, BTW),
lol ok
Dude! The original ones were cultural touchstones in a market that wasn’t yet oversaturated. They literally invented and defined the whole genre!
the original ones were undoubtedly MUCH more popular in their time.
i mean sure, but that also doesnt matter to the point i was making
More people might be playing the new ones NOW
which is why most folks are probably not talking about the old games when they say they like wolfenstein and doom
i assumed they were talking about the bethesda published reboots, what with them being significantly more popular than the earlier games
doom and Wolfenstein are published by bethesda
what does that even mean? ‘ok he supports a genocidal ethnostate, but its only cause of power projection in the middleeast’
no actually, since the conversation is explicitly about conspiracy to commit murder, arguing that any belief in enforcing participation in society constitutes that is explicitly saying that having laws automatically means killing people
you dont actually get to say ‘violence’ instead of ‘murder’ in a conversation about murder, and then pretend that you arent talking about murder
unless this is you admitting that communism is not actually a conspiracy to commit murder, in which case cool i agree!
being forced to participate in society is called following the laws of the country youre in
am i correctly understanding that you believe that enforcing the law automatically necessitates killing people? thats a pretty scary thing to believe, and in no way indicative of any particular ideology im sure
its also false, considering the continued existence of countries that have abolished the death penalty entirely
on a side note, can you explain why you moved the goal posts from ‘communists want to kill everyone’ to ‘well maybe not all of them but the ones that dont will never succeed’ to ‘well having laws means killing people’
If kumbaya is their plan, well, it isn’t going to succeed.
it sure seems like this is less about communists believing that violence is necessary, and more about you believing violence is necessary
actually, you distinctly said ‘every communist ive pushed far enough’, not ‘literally every communist’
im not a communist and my explaining how violence is not a literal part of the definition for communism as it is with fascism is not proselytism
is that what you were doing? trying to get folks to join your cult of fascism?
because regardless or anecdotes, a communist ideal does not by definition necessitate a conspiracy to commit murder
even if not a single pacifist communist existed, and they do, itd still be totally possible to be both a pacifist and a communist
in contrast, violence is a fundamental part of what makes fascism fascism. a fascist party will never be pacifistic, because it would no longer be fascist
no, conspiracy to commit murder is not an inherent aspect of communist ideology in the same way that it is integral to fascism
thats great
the reboot is still probably most fans entry point to the franchise and frame of reference for discussing it, especially during a discussion about Bethesda
that is not any kind of dig at the older games, the quality of them is entirely irrelevant to the point i was making
you dont need to come to the defense of them, especially by venting about games that i also do not care about