The US set out specific criteria, such as 350 aid trucks need to enter every day.

This is what makes this especially infuriating. If you wanted to just say it’s fine in a month as long as they “tried,” don’t put a firm number on it. If you do put the number and yet you don’t care whether they actually meet it, you are treating us all with absolute contempt. Like we’re fucking morons who don’t understand how numbers or concrete demands work.

And that’s before we consider the moral implications. Did Biden stop caring whether people are starving in the past month? There is no excuse and I hope he ends up on trial for his role in this before he dies.

Ah so you’re a troll

I agree. It’s just not relevant to this discussion

Why would you assume I thought Trump was going to change anything?

Yes, let’s. Or is he not president anymore? Who the fuck else should we blame

The US is a fucking joke. Biden should be ashamed of himself

You mean antagonizing European football fans can result in violence?

So it is going to be incredibly expensive to remove immigrants and… err… reduce GDP? This is the man America trusts with the economy because something something tariffs something something eggs

Blaming ordinary people achieves nothing. If you want to do that, why not start with the ones who actively voted for Trump?

The blame lies with the democratic party establishment. People were not happy and they decided to offer more of the same. And now they try to turn the blame on the guy struggling to afford his groceries rather than admitting to their failure, and then you fall in line and join the blame game. If they believed Trump was such a threat they could have made sure they had the best candidate they could get, with a primary. But they misled you and tried to make it your responsibility to bolster their shitty centrist candidate and convince everyone to ignore the blood on her hands.

IT DID NOT WORK. They were too pig headed to learn this lesson in 2016. If Trump really does what we fear, it might already be too late to learn it. But if it is not, you need to stop blaming your neighbours and start blaming the fuckers who keep trying to force shit sandwiches down your throat just because the other guy is literally Hitler.

Try standing for something other than just being better than Trump for fuck’s sake.

No worries dude. Sorry if I upset you!

In the future, when you finish your script or just look through my profile, you’ll see we’re on the same side.

the people who beat them into a submissive “it’s all pointless” mentality

I don’t believe that and never did that. All I did is criticise Biden for supporting the genocide and Harris for saying she’d do the same. If you don’t understand why someone might do that despite wanting the democrats to win the election, you really might be too far gone.

The worst thing is someone who is so cynical and unhappy that they can’t tell genuine belief and genuine concern from some evil ploy on behalf of their enemies.

If you don’t believe anything I say I guess there really is no point in this discussion. In any case, look after yourself.

As I said, I’m not American or in America and I still get it. Last time the day Trump got elected and this time so far I have gotten no work done because it’s just so fucking miserable

You’re sitting here a) as someone I 100% blame for this outcome. You got people to stay home, full stop. There’s zero doubt about it.

You are utterly delusional. I never once advocated for not voting or voting for Trump. Never. That’s why you haven’t found an example of me doing it. If by criticising US support for a genocide I am somehow to blame for this outcome I don’t know what to tell you. I will never let that slide and nobody with morals should let it slide either.

I would’ve never considered not voting in the past but here I am wondering what the fucking point is. Burn the US to the ground. It’s happening against my will so why fucking fight it.

Despite that, this is really sad dude. Take a break. Be with your loved ones. I really hope things get better.

It has to do good to be useful. It’s accurate to say the voters are at fault for the outcome of the election, it’s just so obvious it’s downright brain dead and so useless that if analysis stops there it will result in a red 2028 too.

The people who need to improve that we can actually effect change in are the DNC leadership. If you don’t see that you are as blind as the MAGA crowd.

By your weird logic the election results cannot be real because they will result in evil

Yeah when your summary of someone’s logic is this stupid it’s safe to say you have probably misunderstood something.

Trump voters and possible Trump voters are either stupid, racist or not really thinking things through. That is all bad. But is it so confusing for you that people expect the dems to actually manage this situation and genuinely appeal to voters rather than simply expecting voters to stop making bad decisions? What good will blaming the voter do? NONE.

It might feel good, and I can understand that. You’re allowed to be mad at them. But they are normal people worried about their grocery bill and (probably) not making detailed analyses of party platforms. The democratic leaders are the ones who are supposed to win at politics by appealing to them.

The thing is, you advocated the approach the dems went for, and lost with. All of the people complaining about Palestine did not. And despite your claims they generally did not believe Trump would have been better.

I’m not saying Palestine cost them the election, the problem is much bigger, but perhaps standing for something or especially standing for what is RIGHT would have made a difference. Turnout could have been the killer and that could have had an impact.

Anyway, I don’t really get what caused it but I feel for you all. I don’t even live there and it fucking sucks even for me. Shitty day, many more coming.

Best take I’ve read so far. Racism/misogyny/stupidity etc are certainly all factors but this is the main issue, absolutely. Everything sucks and pretending it’s all fantastic and nothing needs to change is a delusional campaign strategy

I always make this mistake. I will leave it there for shame

Unfortunately, at some point you have to come to terms with the fact that you’re sharing your country with a bunch of racist morons, and them plus the group who shift with the wind, don’t check candidates’ promises against the facts and apparently have no moral principles equals enough people to win the election.

It is fucking depressing. I feel for you all. When Britain showed it’s true colours I left the country. Same problems, fortunately not as bad an outcome (although still pretty bad).

I hope the DNC learns from this. They won’t, but I hope they do anyway.

Actually sounds cool!

So in cases like this I’ll just drop a link proving my point

Would be interesting to see it…

which you either won’t respond to or will write thousands of words defending your position from 4 months ago or whatever

And now you’re assuming I’m an asshole again? You must see the possibility that you’re misremembering something and have completely got my intentions/beliefs wrong?

If you can find me praising Trump or saying vote for him (or not to vote at all) even one time I will admit I’m wrong. But I literally never have and never would.

I hope Harris wins and we never have to listen to him again. And I can’t wait to be able to talk about Gaza without this getting in the way.