I know very little about e/OS. TL;DR on the hate for them?

I thought it was assumed we were discussing American boomers since we were discussing American elections. The continued drill down isn’t really useful except if you’re trying to miss the point.

But really considering the past couple days of our exchanges. I’m saying boomers as this shortcut. I could as easily be saying conservatives, and probably be running in to less trouble while having a much more accurate net. So I blame conservative voters let’s say, and we will let the data speak to how many boomers that does or doesn’t catch.

To your other point, blame is useful in my mind to establish a record, consequences, and future disincentive. I don’t blame to feel better. I blame because I want to see bad action be consequenced.

If for a generation American republican voters can produce what they have produced, but be held blameless as a product of their time, or because billionaires are more powerful, then why not just forget everyone else and only act in my own short term self interest while enjoying all the benefits of the society I’m voting to destroy for the next generation?

Those individuals need to wear trickledown economics, and the Iraq war, and the Afghanistan war, and climate inaction, financial collapses, deregulation, massive debt, the return of fascism, open racism, and everything else they supported as badges for history to see and judge them. No one went to jail for lying to start the Iraq war. No one went to jail for any of the multiple financial crises in my lifetime. Everyone was let out of jail for attempting to violently overthrow the election of 2020. Nobody is going to jail over the Epstein stuff.

I blame the rich like you do. I also blame their useful, selfish, nationalistic idiots. I want them all held to account on the road to a better society. Blame as the first step to consequences.

Otherwise you can’t achieve a better society or even if you did they’ll be happy to dismantle it in the name of their short term personal benefit as soon as they can.

I heard Graphene. They’re doing e/OS as well?

I suppose to some extent I’m blaming the collective, and to some extent I’m saying “boomers” instead of “the majority of boomers that voted to support conservative politicians since 1980” to save some time.

This is sort of how discussion works. You’re also doing this. You’re saying rich people instead of “politically active rich people supplying money to XYZ, while ignoring those born into money and disconnected or lottery winners, or whatever other issue with syntax I can dig up. I’m just interpreting your language in good faith and more generously.

To your point, I do blame non-voters for electing Trump.

At some point “they’re a product of their time” stops being exculpatory. That logic can forgive just about anything when taken too far. For me boomers don’t get let off the hook. They’re happy to live in the GOPs alternate reality rather than face the reality of what they’ve done. The generation needs to be regarded with what their political activity produced and continues to produce, which is the entrenchment of the policies of the rich.

That isn’t the logic I’m using though. You’re refuting an argument I’m not making.

The majority of the boomer voting bloc elected these politicians and supported the policies of the rich. Their entire adult lives the majority of their voting bloc time and again supported terrible regressive policies.

That isn’t true of millennials.

To the extent we can look at a generation’s consistent and prevailing political activity, we can fault the boomers.

Sam Altman wanting to be a billionaire doesn’t excuse them.

If that is what you think you haven’t understood my logic.

My generation is millennial. Our majority supported Clinton in 2016, Biden in 2020, and Harris in 2024.

Boomers as a voting cohort have always turned out disproportionately to give majority support to bad candidates.

I agree with those assertions. I think they’re going a few steps further than that too though. And that is where I’m trying to understand the thinking.

Who elected Ronald Reagan twice, and George Bush, and George W. Bush? Who elected Trump?

I agree with you that the hyperbolic assertion that “every person older than us caused these problems” is wrong. But I also disagree with you that this somehow forgives boomers.

Their largest cohorts left us a dumpster fire and they’re doing everything they can on their way out to keep it burning.

Why does a tech bro wanting to be a billionaire let the boomers off the hook?

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Thank you for this! I did not know this was an option.

I’m really surprised by this. YouTube is such a great source for adding skills and knowledge if you can weed through the crap.

It is admittedly more and more difficult to weed though.

Thank you for laying all this out. This is really helpful.