Cory Booker—New Jersey
Chris Coons—Delaware
Tammy Duckworth—Illinois
John Fetterman—Pennsylvania
Ruben Gallego—Arizona
Maggie Hassan—New Hampshire
Tim Kaine—Virginia
Andy Kim—New Jersey
Angus King—Maine (independent who caucuses with Democrats)
Amy Klobuchar—Minnesota
Gary Peters—Michigan
Jack Reed—Rhode Island
Jacky Rosen—Nevada
Jeanne Shaheen—New Hampshire
Elissa Slotkin—Michigan
Mark Warner—Virginia
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We’re still counting fetterman as a Democrat? Aight.
Also wasn’t everyone fawning over Booker for the sit in DAYS AGO??
I heard that apparently (rumors) Fetterman might run in 2028 to give the illusion that we still have a democracy
He’ll probably show up to the debate in a bath robe.
Gallego: We ditched Sinema because of shit like this.
Primary every one of them.
What if the primary in question is rigged?
Delay, deny, _____?
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The last three months should have been a stark reminder to everyone that after a certain amount of time in their positions, politicians stop seeing non-politicians as real people and everything just becomes a game.
mods have been deleting my comments that remind people that Biden and the Democrats gleefully committed genocide and lost the election for their refusal to even suggest they’ll stop it.
When will people wake up and realize the Democrats are not on our side, not the lesser evil? They exist to give us an illusion that someone is fighting on our behalf, they exist to pacify us, they exist to allow capitalism to turn us into wage-slaves.
They’ll take a knee with us, they’ll give record breaking speeches, they’ll march with us in the peaceful phases, they’ll be on the front line even. They’ll hold rallies and raise incredible amounts to “flight fascism”, and then they’ll step in line and vote to keep the wheel turning RIGHT.
mods have been deleting my comments that remind people that Biden and the Democrats gleefully committed genocide and lost the election for their refusal to even suggest they’ll stop it.
Why they are so threatened by AOC and Sanders, and the calls for the old guard to GTFO
I fully expect the DNC to launch a bigger underhanded attack against the both of them than the Republicans do.
Why they are so threatened by AOC and Sanders, and the calls for the old guard to GTFO
Both Sanders and AOC both support Israel. The progressive base may like them better than “the old guard” but they’re not exactly in love with these two. It’s a begrudging vote, not a happy one.
Hasn’t Sanders opposed Israeli military policy pretty publicly, including voting to block arms sales? [1] [2]
Didn’t AOC accuse Israel of committing genocide on the house floor? [3]
In what way do they support Israel? It hasn’t been my impression that they support genocide or American culpability in it.
They’ve only very recently begun to change their public opinion on it. Last year this time Bernie was catching heat for refusing to support a permanent ceasefire;
Senator Bernie Sanders’s refusal to call for a permanent cease-fire between Israel and Hamas has put him at odds with many of the same progressives […] ^1
Additionally, this is AOCs stance on Israel: https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/media/press-releases/ocasio-cortez-statement-first-anniversary-october-7th
As you can see, she strongly condemns Hamas, which is great. She strongly condemns Israel, and Netanyahu, which is great. And I totally agree with the entire statement all the way down until the last paragraph;
None of this was inevitable. And it can still be stopped. Hamas, Israel, and Hezbollah should agree to a lasting ceasefire in Gaza and Lebanon.
Hamas is a terrorist organization which was quite literally created by Israel by their systematic abuse of an entire group of people. There’s nothing about this entire situation that wasn’t inevitable. You can’t abuse a people for decades, encroach on their lives, livelihood, murder them, strongly police them, continually treat them like shit and sub-human and expect them not to retaliate. Much like the US is directly responsible for the situations leading to terrorist attacks against the US, Israel is also directly responsible for Hamas.
Even aside from all of this, her views on Israel again, just like Sanders are relatively new. Just last year she was about to be censured by other party members for being too soft on Israel ^1.
“We must always take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. The opposite of love is not hate, it’s indifference.” – Elie Wiesel
So yeah, it’s great that they’re just now coming around to the plight of Gaza and the Palestinians it’s not like they actually believe it. It’s all politically motivated. They’re beginning to understand that unless they condemn Israel they won’t be elected–which is pretty fucked up IMO.
Sanders didn’t even show up or rally for mohsen mahdawi, who is HIS CONSTITUENT, after they were illegally detained for speaking out against Israel.
Nobody is coming for us.
Nobody in power is going to risk losing their grip on it to advocate for real material progress and dismantle the institutions that give them that power in the first place.
Nobody in congress deserves to lead the people. The workers do.
So a lesser evil?
I mean, support for genocide is wholly evil, I don’t care what your other policies are. lol Evil is evil lil bro. There’s no such thing as a lesser degree of evil.
It would be the same if like, Donald Trump was a perfect candidate, but he’s also a sexual predator. That should immediately disqualify him, otherwise you’re supporting that behavior.
Bernie and AOC most closely align with my political viewpoints, but they’re also supporting genocide… If I support them, then I’m also supporting genocide. Is what it is.
If that pisses you off, then maybe talk to Bernie and/or AOC about their stance on Israel.
Yes. There are several recent instances where he’s “slamming” Israel. And then 3 decades where they’re best friends, including up to the end of 2024…
Yah the one governor hugging Trump. I mean come on.
Speakin’ the truth! You have my upvote
And just to be clear, you think The Grifter Party cares about you? Sorry, Green - the Green party.
Sometimes I get their name and their actions mixed up.
Democrats are not on our side, not the lesser evil?
So what are you going to do? Not vote?
Guillotine Party.
Them: Option A is evil Nazis, option B is nice Nazis.
You: So what are you going to do? Not vote?
Those are not the options.
The only reason Cory did his speech was to cover for Chuck Schumer declaring his job as a Senator is to serve Israel.
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I was thinking it
I keep hearing project 2025 was a decades plan and the Dems had nothing planned to counter it. Now I’m guessing they are part of the plan.
Now I’m guessing they are part of the plan.
Dems are bought that’s why.
It’s not like the guy they voted for is a rare qualified pick from the Trump camp.
It’s David Purdue, a failed pillow company CEO, as well as ceo for other textile companies. More recently he dabbled in politics as a Republican senator from Georgia, failed gubernatorial candidate, 2020 election denier, climate change denier, and generally an idiotic sycophant.
The textile experience gives him a small amount of plausibility as a choice, but everything else far outweighs that. Just another loser grifter in Trump’s orbit.God damn, how many more failed pillow company execs does he have left?
I was wondering same!
Maybe it’s something to do with hotels…?
Bourgeois party. Capitalism is incompatible with democracy.
Democracy needs capitalism.
Capitalism does not need Democracy.
Edit: some context because this triggered a few people: it’s a quote from Robert Reich.
Could you walk me through why you think democracy necessitates capitalism?
Capitalism on its own is very anti-democratic. Given enough time, most industries would become a monopoly.
A strong Democracy should have sufficient guard rails for the population to counteract the influence of capitalism: strong unions, solid worker protections, limitation of money in politics, higher tax rates on wealth, and so on. The Nordic countries are a good example of this.
Ok, I think we’re miscommunicating. Either my question was’t formulated very clearly, or I misunderstood what you said in the first place. I took what you said (“democracy needs capitalism”) to mean “if you want democracy, you need capitalism”, or alternatively “if you don’t have capitalism, you cannot have democracy”. My question is why you believe this (if you do, that is; I may have misunderstood).
Your answer I completely agree with, but it just argues that capitalism is harmful to democracy and that at best democracy is like a guard rail for capitalism. If anything it shows that capitalism and democracy are kind of incompatible.
And it’s a side track, but the Nordic countries are not a good example of democracy counteracting the excesses of capitalism. They’ve just outsourced the worst of the misery to the global South. And domestically the situation for workers gets worse year by year (although they’re a long way from dropping to American levels).
Without democracy, capitalism just becomes fascism.
Agreed that capitalism can morph into a hideous beast if not controlled, but would you consider China fascist?
No.
It does if you want people to afford to buy your stuff. Or to have your stuff on the shelves. Happy tariff day. I heard another boat returned to China with no toys dropped off.
The dnc is a sunk cost.
You want a country where you can live free, you’re going to have to take it yourself.
Dont worry though, that will be some other generations problem. Most of us will just have to live through the enshitification of everything. Cherish these last days. You may never see any like them again. You might even wake up one day and think, the status quo was like being stuck at the top of a Farris wheel. Scary, and uncertain but the view was amazing.
I agree. I have stepped away from party activity. They are on their own. There are other better avenues for organizing right now.
The Democrats never actually opposed fascism, they just invoked it because they knew it was unpopular. The problem of the Democrats is that you can’t constantly run on things you have no intention of following through on, without having voters stop believing you eventually.
The Democrats never actually opposed fascism, they just invoked it because they knew it was unpopular.
Yep, and Lemmy totally fell for it. Then turned around and shunned the people who refused to fall for it.
Lemmy is getting what they deserve for blindly worshiping the Democratic Party.
Third-party is the way to be free from this nonsense!
Alright at this point we should just clean house everyone in executive, Congress and Judiciary needs to go
Or, hear me out, make sure people like Trump always lose in the future so they can’t initiate any appointments ever again.
Then maybe biden should have hired an AG who was interested in pursuing justice, instead of dragging things out so biden could run as second worst to trump again.
B-but the decorum, the hypothetical high road!
People like Trump shouldn’t be eligible for fucking office. If you have Felonies pending or served you should never be able to run for office period
Yeah, that’s great, but he is. What now?
I get black bagged and die.
Like it’s almost like you ignored the context completely or something.
You mean being convicted of breaking the law shouldn’t be a badge of honor?
Anybody really know politics in detail and can explain their motive?
Are they afraid of retaliation in some form? What’s the rub?
They are republicans in disguise…
One day people are going to realize this is just theatre. It’s a club with predetermined decisions, similar to WWE. None of them give a fuck about you.
People realized it over a decade ago.
So what shall we do about it?
Vote blue so much that they have to keep passing progressive reform like the always do when blue wins. They made the rules, all we need to do is make them play by them.
Vote blue so much that they have to keep passing progressive reform like the always do when blue wins.
If this is how you characterize the biden administration, you’re expecting people to be too easily content.
Nothing tells them to listen to your damands like just giving them more if they do the opposite of your demands.
This sounds like an abused spouse that is saying “just give him more love and he will change. He said he will. I just have to love him more. The bruises arent that bad. He didnt mean it.”
And like the abuser they are, the Democrats immediately turned on minorities whose loyalty they took for granted. They went racist against Latinos and Muslims, proving that they never cared to begin with.
You ask them to paint and take away their pigments and canvas. You display the result as proof that they’re no artist at all.
Controlled opposition party strikes again!
The Republicans are the Sword, and the Democrats are the Shield.
Imagine being a liberal right now lmfao You’re pissed at EVERYTHING and yelling at your allies while the people you’re telling them to vote for are supporting the very thing making you furious.
Fuckin’ awesome.
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If we all showed up to vote blue then thwre would be no Trump appointments to be mad at.
All that voting Blue did in the past two decades was kicking the can down the road, while blocking aerious efforts to form a political power willing to bring the can back up the road.
Trump isn’t an anomaly. Trump is the symptom of a broken system that was deliberately broken further and further with bipartisan support. And we still see the Democrats staying at breaking things further and helping Trump instead of forming a proper opposition.
They still rather fight progressives like AOC and Sanders than fighting Trump.
There haven’t been 60 Democrat senators since 1979, haven’t been more than 50 in over 10 years. The most productive congress in the last 20 years was when the DNC plus caucusing IND had supermajority for only 72 days, and it gave us medicaid expansion, was a single IND vote away from Public Option.
Rhoeri is gonna rest their case so hard when they get here. Then we will all be sorry!
Rhoeri will say “lmao” and end any and all criticisms with citations!
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I get it. I too want this entire administration to burn, but at the same time, Perdue was a sitting Senator. A co-worker. Almost normal compared to Bondi or RFK Jr.
And this isn’t a cabinet member. It’s not like Perdue is going to make any real progress with China on anything.
China isn’t budging on shit.
Democrats reject this guy, a worse candidate is put forward next. Seems like a stupid hill to die on. They’re going to appoint somebody.
Edit: I didn’t know he’d be confirmed anyway. If true, then I agree a Democratic rejection out of principle would have been a better statement.
No, they’re not. What happened to Obama’s scotus pick proves you can gum up this process and prevent appointments. And you can do it without losing voters.
Democrats are choosing to aide the trump admin.
The senate rules changed, if I remember correctly in 2013 and 2017, so that presidential appointments and scotus judges could not be filibustered. A simple majority can change the rules for the next congress and the majority party is Republican and the next congress will either be a Democrat majority or it will be a full on dictatorship.
Nobody is voting for another year and a half. And hardly anyone for another three and a half years. Democrats need to pick the battles that matter.
Democrats need to pick the battles that matter.
And by an astounding coincidence, none do.
Plenty do. There is another budget vote in less than half a year.
Oh cool. Like the continuing resolution they caved on.
Cynicism like this is why humanity is doomed. Or am I misreading you and you actually think things can (if not will) get better?
Let me get this clearly: because if they fight back, maga will be even nastier, so Dems did the right thing to save us from a worse outcome?
Well fuck me, I’ve been at unfair to them. I owe them an apology.
That’s not what I said. There are better ways to fight.
Fight the turly terrible candidate choices, not the ones who you might actually have a chance of working productively with.
Chuck Schumer is abysmal and needs to step down, and he was wrong about the budget. But the essence of his argument has some truth - politics is a two-way street. In the rare case where there is a possibility of cooperation, that sets a better standard and will likely be more effective than endless partisanship.
Fight the turly terrible candidate choices, not the ones who you might actually have a chance of working productively with.
Things centrists never say about progressives. Because centrists only have intentions of working with their republican buddies to accomplish their mutual goals.
I think you’re being understandably but uncessarily cynical for the purposes of this conversation.
I proudly call myself a far-leftist. Even a “woke” one. But victory for the ideals that drive us will not come from endless othering of those who we disagree with. Perfect is the enemy of the good, so the saying goes. I would say it’s now the enemy of even just a little bit better as opposed to so much worse.
With that being said, we should never compromise on expressing what we actually believe. I want universal basic income, guaranteed minimum income according to a livable wage, weath taxes, and much more aggressive income taxation of the 1% and 0.1%. I want universal healthcare, open borders, and end to private prisons. But fuck me if I won’t vote to make what social security we do have just a little bit better.
As politicians and lawmakers, we need to be the bigger party in the room that doesn’t stoop to their level.
I know right now things demand radical defence of democracy, but that doesn’t happen by politicians giving up what little power and platform they might have. They can go to work when they’re not out on the streets with the protestors.
I think you’re being understandably but uncessarily cynical for the purposes of this conversation.
Every time I think I’m too cynical, democrats prove me wrong. They don’t get to come back from supporting a genocide.
I proudly call myself a far-leftist. Even a “woke” one.
But?
But victory for the ideals that drive us will not come from endless othering of those who we disagree with.
Oh yeah. Wouldn’t want to other those people who carry swastika flags and chant “Jews will not replace us” after all, they’re the only demographic that matters to the democratic party, and they’re willing to throw all of us under the bus for a 1% chance at getting a single nazi vote. You’re bus fodder just like me and don’t you forget it. The femtosecond republicans express the slightest displeasure at your existence, you’ll be under the bus with all the disposables you don’t consider worth defending because it might other some contemptible nazi.
With that being said, we should never compromise on expressing what we actually believe.
With every betrayal, democrats converge on expressing what they actually believe.
I want universal basic income, guaranteed minimum income according to a livable wage, weath taxes, and much more aggressive income taxation of the 1% and 0.1%. I want universal healthcare, open borders, and end to private prisons.
There is no major party that does not fight against everything you claim to stand for here.
As politicians and lawmakers, we need to be the bigger party in the room that doesn’t stoop to their level.
We’re dealing with nazis. You don’t win over nazis by appeasement. You don’t win them over with magnanimity. They do not want to parlay. They want you dead.
I know right now things demand radical defence of democracy, but that doesn’t happen by politicians giving up what little power and platform they might have.
Then maybe they should stop giving up whatever power they have every time they have the opportunity to do so.
How would you deal with these Nazis and other fellow Americans who you disagree with? Let’s say you’re the new president and your party controls both houses of government.
Trump is allowing people to be disappeared to El Salvador. Would you do the same to these people you call Nazis? What about the 45 million or so people who voted for this shit?
I agree the political situation sucks. But solutions aren’t easy, and eventually, at the end of the day, we have to be united or there is only war and violence forever.
Fight the turly terrible candidate choices, not the ones who you might actually have a chance of working productively with.
This makes absolutely no sense, why not fight both?
Is there a fight limit you don’t want them to waste on small fries? Or is their energy limited due to exhaustion from all their paid appearances and campaigning tours.
Name one good reason why they shouldn’t be fighting ever single battle!
Why fight when (a) it’s not going to change anything and (b) winning the fight gets you a worse outcome.
If it isn’t going to change anything but there’s a reason to fight on principle, by all means. But fighting for its own sake makes you look stupid and immature.
Someone has to be ambassador to China.
It’s probably going to be someone most on the left so not want.
So you choose the one that you can stomach while you have a vote.
Just to note, but even Republicans stonewalled every confirmation.
Technically, if the Democrats reject this guy he still gets confirmed. If every Democrat, Independent, and also 3 Republicans reject this guy, he still gets confirmed. As was the case with Pete Hegseth, whom is way worse than Purdue in every way.
That detail I didn’t know. If there was a chance to act on principle here I agree. Why not?
Sorry yall. It was Fetterman or Oz and we fucking ended up with both.
VOTE BLUE NO MATTER WHO!!!
jfc.
This is what primaries are for. If you vote up or don’t vote, it’s a vote for fascism.
primaries
Ha.
You pretending they do not exist does not change reality. Presidential is not the only race, nor is it even the most important overall
Pretending that the primaries (when they happen at all) are fair doesn’t mean they are.
The party went to court and successfully argued that they don’t have to run honest primaries. Anyone who suggests primaries as a means to end the entrenched conservative hegemony in democratic party leadership knows better and is gloating.
So your response is that you’d rather watch the country burn in hell than vote democratic to stave it off?
Anyone who suggests primaries as a means to end the entrenched conservative hegemony in democratic party leadership knows better and is gloating.
Fair? When did I say fair? They’re not fair. But, the votes in them are not rigged.
So your response is that you’d rather watch the country burn in hell than vote democratic to stave it off?
All criticism of your shitty worthless republican-lite party does not mean advocacy for voting for the slightly worse party it keeps trying to be.
Fair? When did I say fair? They’re not fair. But, the votes in them are not rigged.
Don’t need to rig the vote if you sue to keep challengers off the ballot and then decide not to hold primaries at all.
All criticism of your shitty worthless republican-lite party does not mean advocacy for voting for the slightly worse party it keeps trying to be.
,yes? that’s literally my issue. It’s advocating to not vote, which is russian propaganda driven and only serves to reduce real ability to fight fascism in favor of grandstanding online as a keyboard warrior.
Don’t need to rig the vote if you sue to keep challengers off the ballot and then decide not to hold primaries at all.
That is not a common practice. It happens, yes. But it’s not common
Unironically that would have prevented all of this, yes.
Trump ran as a Democrat at one point. Just vote for him, the rules are the rules.
