cross-posted from: https://linux.community/post/3497784
Example: several of my former coworkers are from Mexico, Peru and Argentina, meaning they share Spanish as a common language.
I used to practice Spanish with them, but my last charge (like a ward’s manager) would yell at us to stop it, use English only. She would get very angry really fast if she heard anything in a language she didn’t understand.
I find it stupid, because some of them would use Spanish to better explain to the new nurses how to do certain procedures, but maybe I’m missing something?
I could see this becoming necessary. In Amsterdam and other European tech hubs it’s common to have English-speaking offices, so it’d be bad for team cohesion to have the native speakers form a clique in the lunch room.
I think it makes sense to have a common language among all of the staff that is spoken whenever business is being discussed, in meetings and things like that.
I think that policing private conversations is kind of weird. I don’t know why they would do that.
I don’t understand how white people in settler colonies can force the people there to speak their language and follow their culture when they stole land from the actual indigenous people who do not support such policies.
If you ever use another language to say something you don’t want another person to understand, then your employer would be right in wanting you to stop.
I think it’s mostly stupid and ethically questionable, except when your speech needs to be evaluated as a routine part of the job. I don’t think worker to worker conversations should be impacted though.
Employers can go suck a big fat cock.
If the enployee can communicate with their managers and co-worker in English when needed and talk in an other language when they talk between them, there’s nothing wrong.
I’ve actually had the opposite experience. When I happen to work with people that speak my second language it’s usually them who don’t want to speak their other language bc they don’t want to exclude teammates.
I hope they then talked about this person right in front of her in Spanish. LOL.
Racist, and a way for management to know if workers are discussing unionization.
Not always, it’s also a politeness thing, it depends on context
I don’t agree. Forcing people to use a language they are less comfortable with just so others can eavesdrop has nothing to do with “politeness.”
It’s not eavesdropping lol. I worked a company that was primarily Chinese people at the head office and they made a rule of speaking in English for inclusivity.
The post references any usage of spanish as bannable. There’s a difference between workers speaking spanish with each other while someone who only speaks English is present, and workers speaking spanish with each other when nobody else is involved with the conversation. I also worked at a company with a huge portion of speakers that were uncomfortable with speaking English despite myself only speaking English, any attempt to ban their language would hurt the company.
Right? Hence context
I am directly replying to the context listed out by the user, which in this case seems to be racist and anti-worker.
And I am directly replying to you saying there is context and I specifically said not always
You mean, what you ignored?
Lol no, i clearly didn’t
I think you should have asked what context was being referred to.
I can’t really imagine a context where it would be a politeness thing unless the English-only speaker was actively involved in the conversation but was being intentionally shut-out, and not because it was easier to convey in non-English languages but deliberately for spite.
I can’t really imagine a context except for this very common context which completely negates my point
Well said!
It isn’t the context brought up in the post body, so no, it doesn’t completely negate my point. The post is talking about banning any and all use of spanish, period, and the other user came in trying to talk about a different situation entirely.
Preserving “politeness” is the same tactic they use to keep workers from discussing their pay with each other, which is also deeply anti-labor.
Sure, I won’t disagree that it’s anti labour, but being polite to and around your co workers is important
Why do you care about what I do if I’m not talking you? If talking a different language seems impolite to you and you’re not the one talking, who the fuck cares? That’s a you problem.
Sure you’re allowed to be ass, that’s also a you problem lol
‘allowed’ lol thank for the permission boss
Lol kay
You can tell it’s not that cuz of how quick the person got angry. If it’s remarkable enough to seem strange, there’s a reason.
Fucking stupid. The Haitians didn’t speak English and we needed our bilingual guy to speak Spanish sometimes or else we wouldn’t get shit done. Oh also the boss’s English was shit too and sometimes him and the others from the country our company was from needed to communicate clearly
I was always told it’s a bit rude to use a language that not everyone present understands, since you’re basically excluding people from the conversation. Your example seems a bit silly though.
Offense: “a bit rude”
Punishment: no job, bad references, no health insurance
imo in this case the offence wouldn’t be the “a bit rude” part: nobody likely got fired for speaking another language before the rule… the offence would be breaking company policy/rules
What’s funny is no charge nurse is capable of getting you to the point of getting fired over this shit. They’re just capable of making you want to quit. Management does not like spending money orienting new nurses.
Same. English is my second language but I still make sure to speak english even if talking to someone from my country if there is someone who doesn’t speak portuguese nearby
Talking to a person excludes all others by default. If I’m talking to you I’m not talking to the guy behind me. What does the guy behind me care what language we’re using? And why should I care about the one I’m NOT talking to.
Nah if it’s the workplace, I treat it like talking at a dinner table. I’m definitely using the common language and not excluding my coworkers. I’m being thoughtful towards the people around me.
I also get that speaking in a language my company doesn’t understand could make them uncomfortable. I speak a 2nd language. The very few times that I’ve used it at work (not in an interpreter/translator capacity), it was because a certain coworker switched to talk shit about another coworker to me. So yes, people absolutely do this to talk shit. It’s not paranoia, it happens.
People talk shit in English too. Just after shift.
Hallway chat is the reason people come to the office.
It’s impossible to take part if people use a language you don’t know.
People go to work to make a living.
I thought people came to work because they needed the money, lol. And, yes, it’s impossible, and perhaps they don’t wanna include me in the conversation… am I supposed to force them?
Yes. It’s polite to communicate in a way others can participate
If you don’t want to do it, don’t hire people who don’t speak the company language
'How dare you not letting me police and force myself on your conversations? How inconsiderate of you ’
Spotted the American.
“Police”?
I’m Finnish and I work for a Finnish company with 30-40 different nationalities, we use English as the official language
If you’re scared of another language it just means you’re a puta gordo
50+ Caucasian cis male multinational tech company middle manager here.
I speak Spanish on work zooms, when everyone else is in Mexico.
TBH I do it because I try to avoid being the asshole boss who everyone else has to accommodate, and instead be the pluralistic, humble boss that shows appropriate deference and respect to the employees that actually do the work.
At the break table talking another language, no problem. Needing it to be able to understand their job, problem. Unless your clients are mostly Spanish it is their needs that are being overlooked. They need someone fully competent in an official language. If nurses revert to Spanish when they don’t understand things, then their manager doesn’t know what it is that they are having a problem with, unless someone is translating for her. She could end up in trouble for putting someone on a task that they are not able to do. I don’t immediately see it a a racist problem (although it could be) but a work safety problem.
I had a bilingual coworker that, after a customer came with a complaint, would turn to me and say “this asshole can suck my dick” in spanish and i would just nod thoughtfully like some important piece of information was given to troubleshoot with.
Shit was so funny. Very rude but i still laugh at that.
Ive never had coworkers talking meaninggully behind someones back in another language, and yeah thats rude too.
I have been the only people talking english somewhere and i felt rude for that.
Whether any of this rudeness justfies work place punishment or should or shouldnt be allowed just depends on the job.
That’s extremely risky, a TON of people speak Spanish, including a bunch who you would assume did not by surface-level appearance. Your coworker got really lucky that they didn’t get caught and called out.
Time and place. The hours sucked, the system we supported was worse, and we made sure it worked regardless. Place was lowkey toxic but in a comradery kind of way. I agree though. Assuming people dont know, especially cuss words, is asking for it lol
Personally, assuming its the local language, I’m fine with the idea.
People who are multilingual don’t always seem to get how it looks/feels for monolingual people – but it’s a way of excluding them from participating in whatever the conversation is. I think back to a camping trip described by an X with her friends, where in most of the group spoke english and chinese – except my X, who only spoke english. Because one or two in the group were more fluent in Chinese, for most of the weekend the vast majority of conversation was in Chinese, which really drove home how isolating / alienating it can be to be the person left out. You’re basically being pre-excluded from a conversation, just to make it easier for communication with someone else – your basic participation is less important than the other person’s ease of communication. My X had no concern about them “talkin bout her behind her back” or anything, they were all friends, but she finally understood how it comes across.
While the majority of the work force may speak another language, the “main” language in a country is to me, meant to serve as a default for business. If I were multilingual, working in a foreign non-english country, I’d expect any business I worked for to require me to use their local language. Even more, when it comes to supervisors/team leads, hearing the conversations can also help you target potential issues – like if you overhear a team member teaching something incorrectly. So there’s a potential business liability type reason to make sure that all team members, especially oversight, can understand what’s getting said if it pertains to the business.