• BakerBagel@midwest.social
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    4 days ago

    That’s what leftists have been trying to explain to liberals for the past 8 years. All the Democrats in Ohio were running on platforms of securing the border and keeping trans kids out of schools while being dead silent on Republican corruption in the state, Republican attempts to undermine cannabis and abortion referendums that the overwhelming majority of us voted for 2 years ago. Why would anyone vote for them if the best they can offer is watered down Republican plans?

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      3 days ago

      Because it’s better than the non watered down plans?

      Like obviously primary for a good candidate but in a 2 party system where you either have to eat a 5lb bag of shit or a 1lb bag of shit I cannot understand the mindset that there is no point voting because both are the same

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        3 days ago

        I voted, because I’m aware that not voting is a fast track for eating a 5 lb bag of shit.

        However, what would you say if in the next election, it was a choice between a 2 lb bag of shit and a 7 lb bag of shit? Then the next was the choice between a 5 lb bag of shit and a 10 lb bag of shit? When do you decide that you just don’t want to eat shit anymore?

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          If I’m always given a choice between two bags of shit and one is always objectively worse I will always vote for the smaller bag it could be a 99lb bag vs a 100lb bag and I will still choose that 99lb bag because at a certain point you will be 99lbs done and at that point I really don’t want to stop and think god damn it I still have another pound of shit to eat just because I didn’t want to vote

          That’s at least how I feel now seeing the giant mountain of shit I still have to eat knowing I could have already been done with my pile if my candidate had won but at least now I know I voted for the smaller pile

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            Unfortunately, the “smaller bag of shit” party, whether or not they win the vote, keeps passing legislation to fund research to pack more shit into these bags, enabling the “bigger bag of shit” party to increase their ability to force shit on us. Then the “smaller bag of shit” party can up their own quantity of shit and still point to the other party and say “Well, you won’t have to eat as much shit if you vote for us.”

            I’m hoping to find a way to not eat shit at all. When I vote for the “smaller bag of shit” party I question if this is really the way to do that. The same party fights against those in their party looking for ways to reduce the amount of shit. They are funded primarily by those that are producing all this shit.

            This is why I empathize with those who are drowning in shit, thrashing about for a solution to their problems. I also empathize with those who look up and just see shit and don’t bother to make a choice. I even empathize with those who see the “bigger bag of shit” party claiming “No shit this time, we swear” and vote for them out of desperation to get away from all the shit. It doesn’t make me feel better knowing I voted for the “smaller bag of shit” party because it didn’t save any of these people from drowning in shit.

            I do struggle to empathize with people who blame those drowning. I really struggle with those who voted for the “big bag of shit” party because of promises that “oh, yes, there will be bigger bags of shit but don’t worry you won’t be the ones that have to eat most of it. If you vote for us, we’ll make sure they drown in shit”.

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              The person who is drowning in the shit. I.e doesn’t even have the capacity to vote because they live in a fucked up place that requires them to wait 6 hours outside on Election Day and they have kids and work and can’t make it gets my sympathies

              The person doomscrolling tiktok who has had propaganda shoveled in their mouth and now thinks both sides are equal doesn’t get my sympathy

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        Except maybe it’s worse. We are in this situation now in large part because many Democrats for the last 12 years have believed the line that it’s always okay to vote for the second most evil candidate… At some point either you have a bottom line or you don’t have any values.

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          But it genuinely isn’t. You aren’t sending a message to the dems because they are way too stupid to realize that, they forced Hilary who was unpopular in 2026 Biden who was way too old in 2020 and Harris who had all of the negatives of being a vp with none of the positives

          It’s like trying to explain to a dog that the mailman doesn’t need to be barked at you can try all day but they retain nothing

          However when you mention the second most evil candidate, we wouldn’t be using the military against our own citizens, funding ICE more than most countries militaries, and attacking universities for allowing free speech

          That’s a pretty substantial difference, this country was literally damaged for a generation because some people decided that the 500lb bag was the same as the 5lb bag. I say decided but it was very much the work of complex propaganda movements