“MOSCOW – Officials from the Kremlin, under the close supervision of Russian President Vladimir Putin, have concluded an autopsy of Alexei Navalny, concluding that the recently-deceased opposition leader spontaneously sentenced himself to 30 years in a remote Siberian gulag before then ingesting his own poison that he brought from home.”

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    No. It’s Russia, and about enemies of evil people. Only a fucking moron doesn’t think it was intentional.

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      Of course, and I’m happy to believe you. I assume it was intentional, but that’s not an assumption based on any facts. Can you show me some facts on which a reasonable person could base an assumption? “Trust me bro” has historically been an awful source.

      Right now in America, it is the case that plenty of people aligned with the Democrats have a good reason to want Joe Biden dead. If he were to die suspiciously tomorrow, would it be reasonable to say that it must have been Republicans who did it?

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          Uhh, yes, they do. Have you heard of literally any country in South America? Just about every one of them has had a politician murdered by USA.

          Or consider Edward Snowden or Julian Assange. If either American hero returned to his home, he would be killed within a month for made up treason. The two countries have a lot more in common than people seem to think.

          But my overall point is, can you give me any sort of evidence of foul play beyond “trust me bro”? I am more than willing to believe it, but innocent until proven guilty is the only correct way to do this stuff. This comment thread literally looks exactly like when MAGAs were convinced that Hillary Clinton had murdered Seth Rich (along with a couple others I think), just wild baseless speculation being enforced by the hive mind, evidence be damned.

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            Ah yes, first we were talking about Putin, then Biden… but since you got no purchase there, it’s on to … South America?

            Stop moving the goal post so much. It makes it too obvious you’re only pushing an opinion and not debating reality.

            I am no defender of Democrats, but you have to be literally retarded to think Putin is nicer to opponents.

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              I’m not moving the goalposts, America does evil shit in a different way than Russia does. There’s no reason 2 fruits can’t be compared. Like, right now Putin is being nicer to his opponents, due to the genocide America is sponsoring, which is obviously the clear worst possible act. There’s also a lot to be said for Russia staying in their lane. Russia goes to war with their neighbor, USA goes to the middle east, on the literal other side of the globe. America will prosecute Donald Trump but assassinate Snowden, Epstein, MLK, etc. Reversing that doesn’t seem meaningfully worse to me. One could argue it’s better.

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                There’s no reason 2 fruits can’t be compared.

                I find it hard to believe that you’re not familiar with the famous phrase “comparing apples and oranges,” which is specifically about attempting to compare incomparable items.

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                  Yes, that was my point. In both situations, it’s actually quite easy to compare the 2 sides. Both America and Russia use the playbook “Might makes right”. Go ahead and argue that one or the other is worse, there’s good arguments for both. But claiming they’re incomparable is absurd, unless you’re saying it because you think they are too similar to each other to differentiate between. Just like apples and oranges are both medium size, round, sweet fruits with seeds and a reddish-yellow outside. Both groups are essentially the same thing, with a couple intrinsic, but ultimately insignificant, differences.

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                    That’s the thing: you’re proving the idiom in the way that you’re arguing. Naively, one would expect that comparing fruit is easy; after all, they’re both fruit. Two nations have supposedly, in an official capacity, made the same statement (which I don’t believe without you providing a source, and yes the burden is on you).

                    The thing is that these are all superficial observations on complex entities. The idiom of comparing two fruits is a common idiom in many cultures, and it’s not for want of an internet commenter pointing out that they’re sweet, have seeds, and are similar colour.

                    General point: practice making pithy arguments based on well researched points. I’m struggling to see an actual point in the drivel you’re writing. It isn’t a reading comprehension issue; I read and write dense academic articles for a living. Short, pithy sentences are simply better writing.