Yes, that was my point. In both situations, it’s actually quite easy to compare the 2 sides. Both America and Russia use the playbook “Might makes right”. Go ahead and argue that one or the other is worse, there’s good arguments for both. But claiming they’re incomparable is absurd, unless you’re saying it because you think they are too similar to each other to differentiate between. Just like apples and oranges are both medium size, round, sweet fruits with seeds and a reddish-yellow outside. Both groups are essentially the same thing, with a couple intrinsic, but ultimately insignificant, differences.

I’m not moving the goalposts, America does evil shit in a different way than Russia does. There’s no reason 2 fruits can’t be compared. Like, right now Putin is being nicer to his opponents, due to the genocide America is sponsoring, which is obviously the clear worst possible act. There’s also a lot to be said for Russia staying in their lane. Russia goes to war with their neighbor, USA goes to the middle east, on the literal other side of the globe. America will prosecute Donald Trump but assassinate Snowden, Epstein, MLK, etc. Reversing that doesn’t seem meaningfully worse to me. One could argue it’s better.

Uhh, yes, they do. Have you heard of literally any country in South America? Just about every one of them has had a politician murdered by USA.

Or consider Edward Snowden or Julian Assange. If either American hero returned to his home, he would be killed within a month for made up treason. The two countries have a lot more in common than people seem to think.

But my overall point is, can you give me any sort of evidence of foul play beyond “trust me bro”? I am more than willing to believe it, but innocent until proven guilty is the only correct way to do this stuff. This comment thread literally looks exactly like when MAGAs were convinced that Hillary Clinton had murdered Seth Rich (along with a couple others I think), just wild baseless speculation being enforced by the hive mind, evidence be damned.

Of course, and I’m happy to believe you. I assume it was intentional, but that’s not an assumption based on any facts. Can you show me some facts on which a reasonable person could base an assumption? “Trust me bro” has historically been an awful source.

Right now in America, it is the case that plenty of people aligned with the Democrats have a good reason to want Joe Biden dead. If he were to die suspiciously tomorrow, would it be reasonable to say that it must have been Republicans who did it?

Do you know of any legit source that shows it was most likely murder? Not to say I don’t believe it, but Innocent until proven guilty, right?

True, but they’re not a bad person for lying to you.

Seems like a pretty small price to pay to prevent murder. In fact, I’d go so far as to say you’re a bad person if you’re not willing to pay that price.

What if you’re right though? Isn’t then a perfectly good time to lie? If you know for sure that the death penalty is evil (which doesn’t seem too big a leap given the facts), then it’s wrong not to lie to people to get them to stop it. Otherwise you’d be saying that your own morality outweighs the humanity of others. If it results in no death penalty, it was a good action. People act like the ends aren’t justifying the means in 99.99% of cases. It is notable specifically when the ends do not justify the means. If the ends are preventing murder, and the means is lying, there is no question whether lying is justified.

WTF is dignity? Sounds like something religious nut jobs made up to control women with

Pretty sure their definition of winning is not getting genocide by said Jews

Being pro Palestine but anti Hamas is like being pro beef but anti slaughtering cows. Hamas is the means Palestine has to force Israel to quit their genocide, disavowing them is the same as being pro Israeli genocide.