I saw a post get banned. Well I dont wanna be a taboo subject. The more we shut down conversations the more we are ostracized. We shouldnt be so dogmatic. A society where people are free to express unpopular opinions is the one we want to live in. Seriously folks.

    • Borger@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
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      1 month ago

      You’re not expressing the support / ‘live and let live’ attitude you think you are.

      Your impression of trans people is based on right wing hyperbole/mockery. You don’t understand it, because “it” doesn’t make sense.

      The phrases “man in a dress” or “woman with a beard”does not resonate with the vast majority of people actually in the community.

      I can help clear up some of the confusion, if you’d like.

    • homes@piefed.worldEnglish
      10·
      1 month ago

      I don’t think trans people necessarily expect you to fully understand. how could anyone who isn’t trans themselves really fully understand?

      but they at least expect you to treat them with the same dignity and respect that you’d give to anyone else.

    • DomeGuy@lemmy.worldEnglish
      5·
      1 month ago

      But the moment someone starts saying they identify as opposite from their birthed biological chromosomes you’ve lost me.

      There are two things you appear ignorant about.

      First, while gender and sex are not the same thing HRT can be absurdly effective and adjusting the latter to match the former. There are humans out here who look and act “obviously” manly or womanly, despite privately being female or male respectivly. And that’s before we consider surgical options.

      Second, human sex is not that simple. Take the IoC’s “trans women” ban, where they are now testing for the SRY gene. Except that there are cis-women who are XX with a copied SRY from their fatber’s Y, and XY humans for whom the SRY gene is dormant, or whose testes never developed, or who are testosterone resistant – and have appeared feminine since birth. Its entirely likely the IoC will wind up banning more cis women than trans women.

      Taken together, these facts lead most people to conclude that the only fair thing is to take people at their word. Sure, doing so means you may need to treat some apparent “bearded women” and “men in dresses” contrary to your initial perception. But most adults do that anyway for literally every other aspect of humanity, and unless you’re a sexist jerk the sum total of what you’d need to change is just pronouns and salutations.

    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netEnglish
      2·
      1 month ago

      So you’re saying you know misgendering hurts people’s feelings, but you’re still going to do it, because you don’t understand why it hurts their feelings?

      • vga@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        2·
        1 month ago

        I guess the thinking is that it’s a delusion, and if you’re calling them the gender they want, you are enabling the delusion. That it’s more important to try to correct them than protect their feelings.

        I’m not sure, but I’m guessing this wouldn’t be the right tactic even if it was a delusion.

        • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netEnglish
          2·
          1 month ago

          That’s right, arguing with psychotic people further alienates them from society and prevents them from getting support. Being part of a community has a stabilising effect on one’s emotional wellbeing. If someone has a paranoid delusion, society arguing with them is just going to make them feel less belonging and more paranoia.

          Some delusions can be harmful in and of themselves. If your schizophrenic roommate thinks the government put a tracking device in their wrist, don’t let them cut it open to get the device. Call a crisis support line to ask for help.

          But the only harm solved by putting trans people back in the closet is the very harm transphobes themselves inflict on trans people. You can’t argue someone out of gender dysphoria, you’re just hurting them for no reason. Other than, as the transphobes claim, to prevent other transphobes from harassing them. That’s a self-fulfillment paradox.