She sells magical crucifixes and has warned of consequences from God for those who don’t stand with the president.

The president’s spiritual advisor, Florida-based televangelist scammer Paula White-Cain, said at a book-signing event this week that saying no to Donald Trump is the same thing as saying no to the Christian god.

While speaking during the event, White-Cain recounted how the president asked her to join his Evangelical advisory board before his 2016 inauguration, saying, “He’s got a strong persona, don’t get me wrong. Don’t start a fight with him.”

“Why would the evangelicals come out and vote for him?” she asked before saying that “God told me to” join his advisory board.

“Because one thing I said, ‘I’ll never do politics,'” she said. “But when it came down to it, it wasn’t about doing politics. It was about an assignment. To say no to President Trump would be saying no to God. And I won’t do that.

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    Her official business, Paula White Ministries, has told its followers that it can “assign an angel” to those who pay the ministry $1,000. The angel will allegedly “give you long life” and “be an enemy to your enemies,”

    Yeah but then it becomes a bidding war. What if someone else already paid for a divine hit against you? God loves everyone but loves cash even more.

    Of course these scam goblins love Trump.

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        I’m glad I live I Euro land, though both British and Austrian schillings are long gone…

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      Christian Curses! Get 'em right here folks!

      Wanna live forever, see your enemies destroyed?

      I guess it has been a long time since I went to Sunday school.

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      “Religion has actually convinced people that there’s an invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry forever and ever 'til the end of time!

      "But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money! He’s all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can’t handle money!” - George Carlin

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      Wow, what a rip off, don’t listen to this lady. If you want one, I can set you up with the same deal PLUS VPN protection for $995.

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          You’re in luck, I don’t usually do this, but God herself just walked into my office and said for the next thirty minutes, I can include exorcism at no additional charge.

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      She’s gotta afford all that plastic surgery somehow.

      Funny how all the anti-trans “altering the body that God gave you is a sin” people are so quiet about that…

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        Nah that’s sumerian priestesses (yes I’m oversimplifying for effect and I’m aware there were many roles that didn’t necessarily involve sex)

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      Question is that while obviously they know they are gifting they are targeting wealthy individuals.

      Are those people the ones fooled or are they also on this grift?

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      That’s basically indulgences for protestants without even claiming to be about after you die.

      Also, sub divine spiritual beings willing to accept payment in exchange for enmity towards one’s enemies are typically not angels. Magic practitioners who work with angels aren’t doing that shit, and the ones who do that tend to go to demons, unaligned spirits, or gods.

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    Ah, another arrogant individual who presumes to know the mind of God.

    I loathe televangelists. They are nothing like the Christ they claim to serve.

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      I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires.

      -Susan B. Anthony

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    The more money you have, the closer you are to god? That’s mammon worship. Shameless shills for people who already have more than their fair share.

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      It’s like these people literally never read the Bible and what Jesus had to say about that exact thing…

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      That is calvinism. The prosperity doctrine, or I’m sorry it’s originally evolution something, but not the real type I can’t recall right now. Wealth shows god’s favour, the lack of it his rejection. They would like to help the poors, but it would be defying god’s will if they did.

      It’s all predetermined, and a self serving philosophy.

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    The language she uses is why I despise the evangelical movement. It deigns us powerful and that leads to abuse of that power and supercilious arrogance that you are forever justified. No wonder the western christian church thinks their defecation smells of roses.

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    How is it that this administration has made me a fan of the fucking Pope??

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      The enemy of my enemy is not necessarily my friend. They can both be shit in their own way.

      That said, I’m happy that Catholics are hearing the message, even if they’re ignoring it.

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    FTFY

    “Because one thing I said, ‘I’ll never do politics,'” she said. “But when it came down to it, it wasn’t about doing politics. It was about an assignment. grifting feeble-minded suckers."

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    Here’s some real Christianity for you:

    Christ said it’s easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven. Slime balls through the centuries have tried to weasel their way past this simple truth with convoluted and ahistoric readings of Christ’s words. But at the end of the day, the historical Jesus was a poor person. He hung out with other poor people. His friends were beggars, lepers, prostitutes, and social outcasts of all sorts. He lived like a poor person. He spoke like a poor person. He lived with other poor people. If you wanted to join his club, the first thing you had to do was give away all your wealth. He said rich people don’t go to Heaven, and he meant it.

    There is no such thing as a moral billionaire. There are no billionaires in paradise. Trump and his cabinet are a carnival of the Damned. I do not claim to know what level of wealth damns a person. But by the time you’ve hoarded enough wealth for a thousand lifetimes, you’re certainly past that point. There are no billionaires in paradise. In the end, every last one of them burns.

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      There are no billionaires in paradise. In the end, every last one of them burns.

      Sometimes I really wish I was part of the cult so I could believe this. As it is I can only settle for that primal fear every person has to experience as they know they’re at the very end. The Great Equalizer. But yeah, until then they’re going to live fantastic lives off of our labor. Not quite as satisfying as an eternity burning.

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      Other real Christianity~

      Christ will return leading a Holy Army that will murder everybody who doesn’t bow down to Him and accept Him as Lord, many millions upon millions will be killed… and they won’t even have peace in death, as Christ will condemn them to eternal torture with Hellfire, as He will all who won’t worship Him who lived before, unfathomable tens billions of souls, all tortured forever and ever.

      He’s gross. He had some good points, but He’s no moral authority on anything

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      Hell and the devil aren’t even part of Christianity per se, it is something the baptist popularized as they are pagan concepts.

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        Yes, they are, per The Bible. Repeatedly.

        Your claim was never even imagined until long after the 1611 KJV, it’s apologetic tripe

        Hell is not a “pagan” concept. Many religions share it, pagans weren’t the first (or Christians)

        Where are you hearing this? Share, I want to see the goofiness personally… it’s certainly not from The Bible.

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          Hell, as most people imagine it, is from Dante"s Inferno.

          https://medium.com/@BrazenChurch/hell-a-biblical-staple-the-bible-never-actually-mentions-c28b18b1aaaa

          The modern concept of hell as a place of eternal torment is widely considered a synthesis of pagan afterlife ideas, Greek philosophy, and later Christian theology.

          You are simply incorrect. That is why Jews have no concept of hell because it isn’t even in the Old Testament. Satan is your advocate in judgement not a tormentor.

          It is sad to see people not even understand their religion or where concepts actually come from.

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            Hell, as most people imagine it, is from Dante"s Inferno.

            Not really. Vivid Christian depictions of Hell existed long before Dante’s Inferno was ever written, centuries of established history. Dante was Christian and Catholic, you’re embarrassing yourself.

            You are 100% wrong. Your source, “The Brazen Church” at Medium, is absolute apologist garbage, with no citations or footnotes, totally worthless, with many false claims without any historical basis. Note that your source ignores all of the descriptions of Hell, and instead focuses on only the translation of one word (Hell).

            It is clearly described as a place of eternal torment, repeatedly, with vivid descriptions (whatever you’d like to call it).

            Re Jews, they are another matter, they have differing beliefs than Christians. Satan was not an “advocate” per the Bible. I never claimed that Hell was Jewish, so try and stay focused.

            Lastly, it’s not my religion.

            Now, please stop spreading misinformation that you’ve learned from Medium, it’s a tragedy.

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              You are obviously no theologian so I will have to pass on your interpretations. The fact that you can’t even admit that pagan depictions of hell were adopted by Christians is fucking bizarre.

              Having attended many different Christian denominations in my life I can tell you the baptist are the only ones to talk about about hellfire and brimstone to any degree.

              https://bigthink.com/high-culture/brief-history-hell/

              https://medium.com/@BrazenChurch/how-when-the-idea-of-eternal-torment-invaded-church-doctrine-7610e6b70815

              https://foundations.vision.org/hell-origins-idea-626

              The fact that you deny fiction is the source of most of what people would consider hell is very telling. Not even mentioned in the Old Testament, but somehow saying the prince of peace conjured the eternal fires of tormented souls makes me doubt you even have a basic understanding of his teachings.

              Now please stop denying history with your unsourced feeble attempts to prove that the devil and hell were not concepts borrowed from other religions including paganism.

              Christianity itself is an amalgamation of many different religions before and during its formation. I am not sure what you gain by denying reality. Maybe it is your thing, cheers!

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    I’d like to know which one of the writers of The Boys has an actual working crystal futuretelling sphere. I have some questions about a lottery.

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      FOR real, although they cleverly write their script and make changes based on current political and global situationts while shooting the show.

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      Kripke ended up doing a whole video saying" i swear to god we didn’t know, we were just trying to come up with the most insane shit possible"

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    Well, yeah… Did everyone not see that image he posted?

    Jesus punches Trump into hell

    Oh, shoot, sorry… This is the one Iran posted in response to his post. Just freeze it at the first frame, everyone. Let’s be adult about this.

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      They will bring it back, you’ll see. Everyone disagreeing with Trump will be the heretic. That’s the way heresy works.

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    The fact that people think Trump has a soul is alarming. His existence alone should disprove god.

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      The Christian god, perhaps. There’s also the deistic god, the first cause god, the pantheistic god, … so many gods. Our society kind of sucks at understanding god. There are so many definitions of god that don’t require concessions in science, yet the one that is attacked so often is only the anthropic god. Which is too bad, because it just leaves people feeling like they’re missing something important about community connection. When all we can agree on is that god is bullshit, we don’t have a common value set that helps us organize into larger structures. All we get is fucking Pilates workout groups, coffee shops selling us overpriced fruit bowls, and weird desperate attempts for connection with the gas station clerks.

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        There are so many definitions of god that don’t require concessions in science,

        Name one.

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          I can name like ten.

          But you asked for one, so here you go.


          The “First Cause” / “Unmoved Mover” (Classical Theism). Associated with Aristotle and later Thomas Aquinas.

          God here is not a being in the universe, nor an interventionist agent tinkering with physics. Simply the necessary grounding of existence or causality itself.

          Science describes how events unfold within the universe. This concept addresses why there is a universe at all (or why causal chains exist).

          There is no contradiction because they operate at different explanatory levels.

          My point stands. The common understanding of god is narrowly scoped to the piss poor anthropic god provided by Christianity and the like. There’s a broader world out there.

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            There is no necessary grounding for causality. Insisting there must be one is special pleading. And the prime mover god fails in any eternal universe model because infinite regress isn’t a contradiction or impossibility. You’d also have to explain what created god; failing that, you’d have to special plead that it doesn’t need a creator.

            All said, the prime mover argument is one of the five dumbest arguments for a god.

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              But it isn’t a proof for God, It’s a definition of God. And these definitions of God have existed for a long time, which is why I would argue this isn’t a move of the goal post. These are goal posts that have been ignored. There’s also the idea that God is the totality of the universe, and that doesn’t come with any anthropic claims. In fact, I’d argue God being the totality of the universe is closer to some of the beliefs people have in modern day — loosely in association with Astrology, or the belief in some kind of cosmic energies. They just don’t call it God, But if you can distance yourself from the anthropic claims of God, then you can see they’re quite similar.

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                They do look quite similar, in that they’re beliefs entirely ungrounded in observable evidence or rationality.

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                  Yeah, nobody is arguing that these claims are grounded in observable evidence. I certainly am not. The only reason that argument has air is because people profess that it doesn’t exist in their scientific view of the world, where you “proportion belief to the evidence.” Nobody is saying that’s wrong. I’m just saying it leaves people with a pretty hollow understanding of what’s actually a much richer subject. People love to strawman the idea of god. Nobody likes to discuss the good things that came from having a common religion, regardless of how you define god. Nobody likes to consider that so many definitions of god don’t even operate on the same level of abstraction as science, and therefore you can hold both beliefs. Nobody takes seriously the argument that spirituality might be rather important for the animal which evolved for hundreds of thousands of years with spiritual beliefs and practices. Rather, we forget our neighbors and wonder why we are lonely.

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            This concept addresses why there is a universe at all

            Shrugging your shoulders and saying “must be god” is not addressing anything.

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          I don’t believe in god. But I do think it’s a valid and possibly necessary part of human history. Hence, it happened and we are here now. That information (even “god”) supported the evolution of our mind.