That is so very far away from the actual expressed sentiment that I’m genuinely concerned that your underlying expectations of people and the world, completely hinders your ability to see reality at all.
Oh I see reality. I also see this next gen of workers coming in who are nothing like Gen X or even millennials. My underlying expectations are if you’re hired by someone be a good worker, work hard. Try to make the company better and if you’re good at it, the company will see this and promote you. Nothing crazy and nothing out of the reality that I experienced during my working life. Now I do see some new workers with the required social skills and knowledge to zoom up the ladder pretty quick, but that’s definitely not the norm.
This is not how the US workforce works at all- unless you are a boomer in a “retirement” job working 10hrs a week, getting paid for 40hrs, and relying on the younger generations to do all the work for you.
Just remember those younger people who show promise actually hate you because they already do your job better than you and will never be compensated for it.
Some of them are already past me and making more. But the majority flounder and don’t last. They most definitely aren’t doing my job better than me since they had to hire 4 when I retired. 3 of them didn’t make it and have been replaced. IT security guy in case you were wondering.
You are literally the example that younger folks are disillusioned with. Retired with benefits and decent pay for grinding is not something that happens anymore. Saying “well it worked for me so you must not be trying hard enough” is a false assumption and also condensending.
Put yourself in someone else’s shoes. Imagine you worked your ass off and grinded and learned and were never rewarded for that effort. That is by far most genx/mil/genz expirence in the US, and why we are angry.
Grinding and getting a raise for working hard in a corperate structure is a dream that only happened to old folks.
This is what’s insane to me about their commentary - they purport to be genx, same as me. Now I’m late gen x - born in the 70’s, the ones they tend to call liminals, and my entire professional working life has in no way shape or form resembled what tabooki2 is describing. This system has gone to shit within their own generation, they witnessed it in real time and yet they’re still sanctimoniously trying to blame poor work ethics. Madness.
That is so very far away from the actual expressed sentiment that I’m genuinely concerned that your underlying expectations of people and the world, completely hinders your ability to see reality at all.
Oh I see reality. I also see this next gen of workers coming in who are nothing like Gen X or even millennials. My underlying expectations are if you’re hired by someone be a good worker, work hard. Try to make the company better and if you’re good at it, the company will see this and promote you. Nothing crazy and nothing out of the reality that I experienced during my working life. Now I do see some new workers with the required social skills and knowledge to zoom up the ladder pretty quick, but that’s definitely not the norm.
This is not how the US workforce works at all- unless you are a boomer in a “retirement” job working 10hrs a week, getting paid for 40hrs, and relying on the younger generations to do all the work for you.
Lol. Now that’s out of touch.
Just remember those younger people who show promise actually hate you because they already do your job better than you and will never be compensated for it.
Some of them are already past me and making more. But the majority flounder and don’t last. They most definitely aren’t doing my job better than me since they had to hire 4 when I retired. 3 of them didn’t make it and have been replaced. IT security guy in case you were wondering.
You are literally the example that younger folks are disillusioned with. Retired with benefits and decent pay for grinding is not something that happens anymore. Saying “well it worked for me so you must not be trying hard enough” is a false assumption and also condensending.
Put yourself in someone else’s shoes. Imagine you worked your ass off and grinded and learned and were never rewarded for that effort. That is by far most genx/mil/genz expirence in the US, and why we are angry.
Grinding and getting a raise for working hard in a corperate structure is a dream that only happened to old folks.
This is what’s insane to me about their commentary - they purport to be genx, same as me. Now I’m late gen x - born in the 70’s, the ones they tend to call liminals, and my entire professional working life has in no way shape or form resembled what tabooki2 is describing. This system has gone to shit within their own generation, they witnessed it in real time and yet they’re still sanctimoniously trying to blame poor work ethics. Madness.
Good for them, they are some of the last to have it so easy.
I just wish these folks who live in the past would stop preaching their expirence as if its somehow relevant or good advice.
Look around you in that corporate structure. See any people your age? Ask yourself what they are doing right.
I dont work in a place like that anymore for all the reasons in this thread…
My example of old folks getting preferred treatment, special pay, and less hours instead of the people actually doing the work is why I left.
Enjoy your retirement, glad it worked out for you, but please stop assuming everyone in the workforce enjoys the same privileges you describe.
Millenial here: I don’t see what for, they don’t have our best interests in mind, we should slack whenever we can, and rob them blind.
And then cry when the country falls apart because too many people are like you.
We only need like 1/3 the work I do. I’d accept slower services for the ability to touch grass.
Imagine an economy where everybody had that attitude. We would be eaten by foreign countries and then you’ll see real hardships.
China has dark factories with no humans.
I can imagine that.
But somebody has to design, build and maintain them. If I was young I would go into robotics. My best buds son is doing great in this field.
That’s the idea, does not take 40 hours a day of soul sucking to do a good job.