NOBODY understands that war. There were no objectives and no chance of success. It was just rushing in to do a murder and then letting israel bomb more civillians because they are running out of them in Gaza.
And, like all the “great” regional wars: There actually was a REALLY good reason to go to war with iran. They were murdering protesters by the thousands in the lead up to this. Just like how Saddam and the Taliban were complete and utter monsters too. But selling on “we are going to help the brown people” would never sell either aisle on a war.
There was absolutely no reason to go to war with Iran. Killing protesters happens everywhere and is never an excuse to bomb a country or invade them. War is a form of terrorism and should always have a meaningful (and achievable) political objective that benefits the state engaging in it.
There are no humanitarian wars. Intervening in domestic politics implies that Iranians are children who cannot govern themselves. They vote. They have a democracy. Their society will move according to the conditions they live in.
We have had an oversized impact on Iranian life through our tariffs. We do more to undermine Iranian life with our economic policies than the leaders of Iran do with their governance. When we hear protesters used as an excuse for war, we become part of a conspiracy to further undermine Iranian democracy through escalation, when we should have been calling to better Iranian life by putting an end to tariffs.
There was absolutely no reason to go to war with Iran. Killing protesters happens everywhere and is never an excuse to bomb a country or invade them
So you would be opposed to any kind of intervention to prevent israel’s genocide of Palestine? And… while people often forget the order of operations, nobody should have gotten involved to stop nazi germany and imperial japan when they were getting their genocide on back in the 30s/40s? Not gonna bother to ask about the Uyghurs because… we can both guess how much you care about them.
You and I are fundamentally different human beings.
No one stepped in to stop nazi Germany and Japan from committing genocide.
Almost all countries even closed their borders to Jewish refugees.
The Soviet Union defended itself when it was attacked (after first invading Poland in cooperation with Germany).
China defended itself when it was attacked.
The US declared war on Japan when Japan attacked the US. Then Germany declared war on the US.
Humanitarian reasons are used to sell wars to the people fighting them, or turn them into a hero’s story afterwards.
The people who start them or join them do so for different reasons.
Compares dead protesters with genocide and makes other false equivalencies.
I know better than to follow politicians and support their wars. If you want to support Palestinians, then engage in boycotts and demand the US stops giving material support to the Israeli military. If you wanted to help Iranians, then you should’ve opposed tariffs.
If the peace deal holds, then the tariffs will be lifted, meaning that the Iranian government will have won back better conditions for their people with this war. That’s what victory for Iran means: no tariffs and money to rebuild to create better conditions for regular Iranians.
Iran is up and you’re complaining you didn’t get to bomb them more. We really are different.
I do not argue your point on invading another country. However, a lot of states are democracies on paper. In the case if Iran, there is no vote that will get them out of this situation.
Let’s be honest here:
NOBODY understands that war. There were no objectives and no chance of success. It was just rushing in to do a murder and then letting israel bomb more civillians because they are running out of them in Gaza.
And, like all the “great” regional wars: There actually was a REALLY good reason to go to war with iran. They were murdering protesters by the thousands in the lead up to this. Just like how Saddam and the Taliban were complete and utter monsters too. But selling on “we are going to help the brown people” would never sell either aisle on a war.
There was absolutely no reason to go to war with Iran. Killing protesters happens everywhere and is never an excuse to bomb a country or invade them. War is a form of terrorism and should always have a meaningful (and achievable) political objective that benefits the state engaging in it.
There are no humanitarian wars. Intervening in domestic politics implies that Iranians are children who cannot govern themselves. They vote. They have a democracy. Their society will move according to the conditions they live in.
We have had an oversized impact on Iranian life through our tariffs. We do more to undermine Iranian life with our economic policies than the leaders of Iran do with their governance. When we hear protesters used as an excuse for war, we become part of a conspiracy to further undermine Iranian democracy through escalation, when we should have been calling to better Iranian life by putting an end to tariffs.
So you would be opposed to any kind of intervention to prevent israel’s genocide of Palestine? And… while people often forget the order of operations, nobody should have gotten involved to stop nazi germany and imperial japan when they were getting their genocide on back in the 30s/40s? Not gonna bother to ask about the Uyghurs because… we can both guess how much you care about them.
You and I are fundamentally different human beings.
No one stepped in to stop nazi Germany and Japan from committing genocide.
Almost all countries even closed their borders to Jewish refugees.
The Soviet Union defended itself when it was attacked (after first invading Poland in cooperation with Germany).
China defended itself when it was attacked.
The US declared war on Japan when Japan attacked the US. Then Germany declared war on the US.
Humanitarian reasons are used to sell wars to the people fighting them, or turn them into a hero’s story afterwards.
The people who start them or join them do so for different reasons.
I know better than to follow politicians and support their wars. If you want to support Palestinians, then engage in boycotts and demand the US stops giving material support to the Israeli military. If you wanted to help Iranians, then you should’ve opposed tariffs.
If the peace deal holds, then the tariffs will be lifted, meaning that the Iranian government will have won back better conditions for their people with this war. That’s what victory for Iran means: no tariffs and money to rebuild to create better conditions for regular Iranians.
Iran is up and you’re complaining you didn’t get to bomb them more. We really are different.
I do not argue your point on invading another country. However, a lot of states are democracies on paper. In the case if Iran, there is no vote that will get them out of this situation.