Damn, this conversation didn’t stay casual.

But, in fairness, your post text was pretty aggressive for a casual conversation.

But, as people have already said, there ain’t no such because nobody is/was willing to pony up often enough.

Besides, airplanes aren’t sleeping berths. That part of your premise is flawed. It’s okay to sleep on flights, but it isn’t part of the package. There’s no laying down, and no promise made that any flight will be quiet enough for any given individual to sleep, babies and kids or not.

Your expectations of flying being geared towards sleep just aren’t realistic. It never has been, barring very limited occasions here and there.

Tbh, you can’t even have a realistic expectation of adults being quiet enough for everyone’s sleep needs, even if everyone was trying to sleep. Snoring, farting, groans and creaks. Someone would be unable to sleep.

Babies in particular are really hard to ignore for sure, their cries are supposedly evolved to alarm adults into action. Even small kids crying and screaming can cut through a lot. But that’s life. Mass transit always has a risk of that kind of event because even the most stable and comfortable vehicles can’t guarantee a child won’t be bothered enough for occasional fits.

There’s no current airlines offering such, not that a quick search could find (and I don’t doubt you had already done so). So you’re just as screwed as anyone on a bus, train, or a family road trip.

If you want advice on ways to filter out baby screams, let me know. I’ve done enough time around sick infants to have sorta found ways to avoid being upset by it, which means I can half doze through short crying spells. It’s all about riding the response it causes and letting it go while doing some meditation and breath control. Mix in a little self-programming under a controlled setting, and you can eventually mostly tune it out.

I thought that said fights at first and I started wondering where the adult vs children fights were happening.

Firstly, you probably don’t have children, and therefore don’t know how upsetting it is when they are screaming. They obviously don’t want that.

Secondly, there are many ways to help you sleep on a flight, even if children are screaming in the seat next to you. Sleep masks, good earplugs (maybe even ANC earbuds with soothing sounds), a comfy pillow, and blanket. If all that doesn’t help, try a sleeping pill. For me, this always does the trick. I have to travel a lot, with many red-eye flights, and I usually always get around 6 hours of sleep.

However, I understand it is upsetting. And I also don’t understand parents that put their kids on 10-plus-hour flights just to go on vacation, and not to meet their relatives or something.

I truly do not understand why people don’t simply wait until the kid is old enough to handle frying before travelling with an airplane. My family travelled a lot by train, or sometimes car, then when I was around 7 or 8 years old we took a short flight.

Babies really won’t remember anything of the trip anyway, I really feel that travelling by plane is one of the things that you sacrifice for the first years of having a child. Call me entitled or whatever, but your childs screaming or running around on the plane is absolutely annoying to others.