• randint@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz
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    9 months ago

    Gee, people in the US need to be this cautious when protesting? Where I live it’s totally fine to just casually show up at protests, take selfies, talk to people and whatnot.

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      9 months ago

      I live in Canada and there is a university professor that had police visit his house because he took some pictures of an oil project that was being protested while he was on a walking trail near the university.

      It was an interview on the cbc several years ago. He was a prof at SFU, I assume it was the trans mountain pipeline expansion.

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      No…we don’t. This I’m assuming is showing someone who’s idea of protesting is burning cars and businesses down.

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        Sounds like someone doesn’t know (or care) what can happen to protestors that are protesting the “wrong things”… Like oil and gas pipelines, for example, or training centers for heightened police militarization. Or foreign policy, even, that one has been happening for generations already.

        Lol if only they would protest the right way, they wouldn’t have to worry about anything, right?

      • ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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        9 months ago

        Well the police can declare an unlawful assembly at any time for any reason, which tends to stir up even peaceful crowds. Not to mention being face to face with militarized thugs in riot gear, drones, helicopters, armored vehicles, mounted police, tear gas and “non-lethal” rounds. If I had a gas cannister lobbed at me, why wouldn’t I toss it right back. Fuck em. ACAB.

        You might have no intention of causing trouble, but still get rounded up. Happened almost every day in my city for several months during BLM protests. Mass arrests of people in the wrong place at the wrong time. The countless live streamed videos don’t lie, each protest was non-violent until police agitated the crowd.

        I don’t go looking for trouble but I have my limits just like anyone else.

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        9 months ago

        Or holding…checks notes…

        Wrench

        Cordless drill

        Water-hose nozzle

        Flashlight

        Shower rod

        Cane

        Broomstick

        Hairbrush

        Sunglasses

        Bottle of cologne

        Underwear

        Tinfoil

        Bottle of beer

        Pill bottle

        E-cigarette

        Cell phone

        Wallet

        iPod

        Wii remote

        Toy truck

        Sandwich

        Bible

        Hands

        …can we add Acorn to the list? I think Acorn can go on there now, also.

  • Custoslibera@lemmy.world
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    9 months ago

    No phone

    No ID

    Don’t take private transport or public transport. Use a bicycle if you can and take an unusual route to and from.

    Wear very plain clothes of a solid colour (preferable black), no logos.

    Do not wear easily identifiable shoes.

    Be prepared to throw out your clothes after.

    Cover all parts of your body with clothes (use gloves for your hands, wear long sleeves and pants, wear a mask, use sunglasses to obscure eyes)

    Do not talk to anyone who approaches you. There will be plain clothes officers and they will attempt to engage you in conversation, just walk away.

    Do not talk to people who approach you and ask questions

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    9 months ago

    I’m not american. Why not bring your phone? Around here as long as you have a legion of people pointing cameras at cops they’ll not outright beat you senseless since it’ll be impossible to lie about some bullshit justification about how you did something first.

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      One, it’ll get smashed anyway. Two, if you manage to get away, they’ll work with your provider or location based apps to prove you were there and arrest you. Or, force you to unlock it so they can arrest your contacts. Filming them barely helps, there’s so many videos of cops beating the shit out of people with no justification, who have been identified and never faced any repercussions

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        You. Cannot. Be. Forced. To. Unlock. A. Phone. With. A. Password.

        (In the United States)

        If you are caught with your phone in a bad situation, fight to manage to get it to shut down. Android will be stuck in a locked out state where biometrics are disabled. Im sure iphones can do something like that but rethink bringing your stupid iphone to a protest. Ask for a lawyer. Do not talk, do not answer questions, do not say anything else.

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      9 months ago

      Why not bring your phone?

      Your SIM/IMEI are tied to your ID. The police can visit you at home later. Details depend on the country.

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          Don’t trust the surveillance device to turn off because you ask nicely. Leaving it at home helps sell the idea that you weren’t at the protest you were at.

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              9 months ago

              If you have an iPhone you can go ahead and try Flight Mode right now. You’ll see that it disconnects from WiFi and disables cellular. NFC, Bluetooth and Wi-Fi stay powered on, Bluetooth stays active. Yes, latest iOS has Bluetooth tracking protection on by default (varies by country, illegal in some), but it is not completely safe. I’m not sure about NFC and Wi-Fi. If you power the phone off it is unlikely to turn off the radios - they are needed for “find my iPhone” and similar features on Google and Samsung Galaxy phones.

              Overall you can’t be confident that your phone does not reveal your location and identity to “law enforcement”, especially in places where police is well equipped to track you.

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              I’m pretty sure the SIM still connects to cell towers even if you have mobile data deactivated

              Edit: on most phones it prevents the connection but there are still other ways to track like GPS

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                The GPS data will not be sent to the carrier, will it? And your phone will only be searched if they can tell its you in the first place. In which case you got caught physically there anyway.

                Also this no id thing is confusing to me. I guess its just american law. In many other countries, they just jail you until you tell them who you are.

  • Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    Also don’t wear any clothing you bought from a unique Etsy store (or any store you physically visited and paid with a card).

    The clothes you wear to the protest should also be bought from a thrift store that you visited without your cellphone and paid for the clothing in cash.

    Otherwise, yes, your clothing purchases are tracked, and the young lady who torched a cop car during the George Floyd protests was literally found by the FBI searching Etsy purchase records for people who had bought that shirt.

    https://www.inquirer.com/news/lore-blumenthal-philly-protests-george-floyd-sentencing-20220728.html

    Other options are facial recognition defeating clothing like this:

    https://www.dezeen.com/2023/02/07/cap_able-facial-recognition-blocking-clothing/

    Or this:

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/2496686/anti-cctv-reflectacle-glasses-will-let-criminals-evade-the-law-and-activists-dodge-the-surveillance-state/


    EDIT:

    But neither of those help when we’re dealing with stuff like Gait Analysis.

    For help with that, we must turn to the Ministry…

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV2ViNJFZC8

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    Why shouldn’t you bring your phone?

    Edit for y’all who thought I don’t know what cell triangulation and gps tracking are: If you’re involved in protesting to the extent that you might be actively tracked, you should have the proper precautions in place on your phone that make it untraceable even when you’re carrying it with you.

    Edit 2: “Proper precautions” includes using GrapheneOS with 2 SIMs. Only use one of those SIMs at protests and make sure to never use them at the same time. If the government is tracking you past that point, why do you even have a phone in the first place?

    • Primarily0617@kbin.social
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      your phone can’t work if your carrier doesn’t know where you are

      on top of that, advertisers put bluetooth receivers everywhere, which will log your phone as having been nearby, even if you don’t connect

      on top of that, you can do the same bluetooth trick with wifi endpoints

      plus your phone has a gps/glonass/whatever receiver in it

      probably other reasons too but those are the ones i can think of off the top of my head

      yes you can maybe mitigate all of these, but there are probably ones i haven’t thought of that people much smarter than me have, so why take the risk?

    • Wermhatswormhat@lemmy.world
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      That’s how the FBI has been able to positively identify where people were during the January 6th Insurrection. The FBI said shortly after the insurrection that if you had your phone with you, you would be caught.

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        9 months ago

        Also worth noting that a fuck load of those mouth breathers kept their location on and were posting pictures and videos to Parler, which didn’t bother to clear the EXIF or any metadata from user uploads.

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      Because it can place you at the location of the protest while it happens. Not very good for anonymity.

  • Jo Miran@lemmy.ml
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    9 months ago

    Gen-X here. Gen-Z answers a question I had as a teen. “What the hell children will the extreme sports, tech-centric, video gaming, gangsta rap, grunge, rage against the machine, angst filled ‘slacker’ generation raise?”