• gibmiser@lemmy.world
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    Jews in Israel and internationally, please Stand up to your government. You know this is wrong. Kill the babies? Listen to what they are saying.

    Your government is fucked up. You have let fear and revenge drive your country to madness. Look in your hearts, would a loving and just God want this? I don’t care what any book says, look in your heart. You know this is wrong.

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      Every western government has been complicit in this genocide. USA most of all. None of this could have occurred had it not been for the funding and the diplomatic cover provided by our governments. It’s up to all of us to make it stop.

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        Oh yeah? Pray tell, how do we do that? And mind you, you’ve also got Iran in play, Egypt is doing its thing, and they would both react in their own way.

        Like would you suggest NATO troops on the ground? How do you think Hamas would react to that?

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          What tactics has the West utilized against Russia that they have not employed against Israel?

          Economic sanctions. Apply them to Israeli leadership in the military and in politics. Plus Business leaders and bankers. Prevent Israeli banking institutions “from accessing SWIFT, the international system for financial transactions, and restricting access to Western financial markets.” Ban Israeli access to international goods and services import as well as export. Let’s see how long their military can go without oil.

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        Well, I think the US public has been pretty vocal about this compared to most issues. People are really pissed at Biden. So don’t change the subject.

        I think it’s time we start publicly shaming Israelis and Jews who don’t make strong statements condemning the murder of civilians and protesting the reckless-at-best and seemingly genocidal actions of their government.

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          publicly shaming Israelis and Jews

          This is about Zionism. It’s not about Jews. If you make it about Jews you are falling for the Zionist tactic of equating the two. Do better

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            Really I just meant the international community of Jewish people. Many of them have strong opinions about matters related to Israel.

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              As a member of the international community of Jews, I think what Israel is doing is monstrous and disgusting. But I am in no way responsible for what they do. I don’t live there, I’ve never been there, and I have zero ability to influence Israeli policy beyond expressing my disapproval, which I often do.

              Stop spreading the misinformation that Israel = all Jews.

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                I understand your frustration at what I am saying, but I believe you have more influence over the Israeli people than I do as a non-jew. Am I wrong? I just imagine that Israeli jews would take more seriously and be more introspective after receiving critical comments from a fellow Jewish person, who presumably is more in tune with the worries and historical context of the Jewish community than a non Jewish person is.

                My opinion is more easily decried as antisemitic or ignorant and waved away. Yours is not.

                When Christians do horrible things in the name of god, don’t you think being called out by other Christians is going to carry some more weight?

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          I think it’s time we start publicly shaming Israelis and Jews who don’t make strong statements condemning the murder of civilians and protesting the reckless-at-best and seemingly genocidal actions of their government.

          Are you deliberately trying to use the same language as was used against Muslims 20 years ago?

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            No, I guess I don’t get your reference, unless you are referring to 911?

            If so it would be the Americans needing to condemn their government for invading Iraq, not the Muslims condemning 911.

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      Not exactly like every Jew is Israeli, in fact Israel is the one trying to force the narrative that they are, because it reinforces that narrative to those Jews when people actually do antisemitic shit

      It’s a settler recruitment strategy.

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        Not to mention the view that being anti-genocide is antisemitic - a deeply stupid, dishonest, antisemitic position that gives the best possible justification one could give for the extermination of the Jews.