Summary
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
Donald Trump achieved a decisive victory over Kamala Harris, capturing key demographics that traditionally supported Democrats. He gained substantial support from white working-class voters, saw a 14-point increase among Latino voters, and performed better than expected with younger voters, especially men.
Economic concerns, particularly inflation, were central to Trump’s appeal, with voters across states like Pennsylvania, Michigan, and Wisconsin favoring his promises of lower prices and stricter immigration policies.
Harris struggled to retain support in diverse and working-class areas, as voters blamed Democrats for economic hardships.
Democracy does not work, we need a better system
So a dictatorship, then?
How about a democracy where you’re only allowed to vote after taking extensive courses on how to vote, see what’s important for you and others, and where you learn to see populism of any sort for what it is?
While at it, add a requirement that anyone wanting to get votes must first undergo psychopathy testing, that’d be nice
Obviously also remove the first past the post, winner takes all type democracies
Reading that article is a serious indictment of economic literacy in the United States. People don’t understand what role the president plays in the economy, what causes inflation, or how and why interest rates change. They draw really superficial causal links and don’t think about it after that; it’s fact to them.
It’s reasons like this education may be the single most critical issue, since we can’t make progress on the climate or anything else if the population is incapable of critical thinking. I hate to say it like this because it feels patronizing, but Jesus fucking Christ.
They didn’t gut the public educational system on accident, things are functioning as designed.
A few weeks ago a poor POC came up to me trying to convince me to vote Trump because “Trump will put money in your pocket”
I asked him what he meant by that, thinking his reasoning would be tax cuts or inflation. Alas, his reasoning was that he thought the COVID stimulus checks came from Trump’s personal wealth and that him winning the presidency again would mean we would get more.
It was when I noticed the other people around me agreeing with him that I knew we were doomed. What can man do against such reckless ignorance?
Man, people have no memory.
What was the total payout per-person of the Trump checks? Something like $2000? We only got those because the country was on lockdown, and that’s only like a month’s worth of expenses for me (and I live in a relatively low COL area).
You should have vomited all over him like in that stand by me movie, causing everyone else around you to vomit all over everyone else.
This was unfortunately a missed opportunity for you.
That’s by design.
Not too mention the “inflation” was entirely fabricated to hurt Joe and the Democrats. All they had to do was ask people what inflation? To ask them how there was record inflation AND record profits with large payouts to CEOs. It’s gross that the rich fabricated this, sold it to the masses, and they ate it up.
In 2016, I was angry at the decision some made, but understood that no one knew who tRump was, what he stood for, or how he’d govern. In 2024, we knew all of that. It’s clear this is what people want. They won’t ever know how badly they fucked themselves cause they’ll be told who is really to blame and they’re too stupid to get a second opinion.
“It’s simple, really, I’m just a piece of shit who doesn’t give a fuck about anyone but myself and I’m dumb enough to think that our beloved Leader won’t fuck us when he starts fucking the rest of the country”
More like “it’s simple really. I’m spending $1 more on eggs than I did during a pandemic, so I’m gonna vote for the person taking photos with breakfast food”
I’m not sure how much this explains the Latino vote, but I heard some pundit yesterday make a halfway decent point about how a $1 increase hits harder when you live in a rural area where wages tend to be lower to begin with.
Yeah. But wages are low because they refuse to address any sort of wage legislation too. They keep kicking themselves in the dick and then wonder why their crotch hurts.
It must be the taxes! You know, the ones they either already don’t pay or wouldn’t pay if they could read literally any details about the proposed tax.
The taxes, set by the Trump administration in 2017, that somehow (fucking idiots) never got on their radars. You know, since they were worried about taxes, or money so much…
People have a hierarchy of needs. If they can’t eat correctly while working, they’ll put “democracy” and ”rights” (even their own) after their stomach… and it’s understandable. Of course Trump will bring no solution but Harris even proposed no solution.
Other than lower taxes and the historical democratic interest in the minimum wage?
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,”
You liked living in a crumbling economy riddled with mass unemployment and caused by a fumbled pandemic response that resulted in thousands of preventable deaths? Because that’s where we were 4 years ago. That’s the economy Trump gave us the first time.
Trump’s policy was just juicing the system for short term gain which can go on for quite a while in good times but when you’re at 0% interest already at the START of a pandemic and economic crisis it’s obvious you’ve been much too irresponsible with the economy.
just a reminder. interest rates at the end of obamas last term where 3 or 4 percent and not zero the way they were when covid hit. I recall someone on tv complaining a lot about the fed trying to ruin his economy.
resulted in thousands of preventable deaths
Millions, and it’s still climbing thanks in large part to his decision to politicize public health.
It turns out that trying to fix a problem is more memorable than causing said problem. Interesting, but not terribly surprising given the long running joke that American voters have very short attention spans
“It’s simple, really. We liked the way things were four years ago,” said Samuel Negron, a Pennsylvania state constable and member of the large Puerto Rican community in the city of Allentown.
His buddy called your homeland garbage.
He didn’t give a shit.
Things were absolute shit four years ago. Do these people have amnesia? The economy during the beginning of the Trump presidency was great because of Obama. Trump quickly fucked that up and ended his presidency with a near collapse of our economy.
These people are idiots.
I personally was a big fan of the death and unmitigated disaster surrounding the fumbling of COVID-19. Another big highlight was the 2020 election interference as well. This is what our country deserves, pretty soon reality is gonna hit all of us and we’ll know we fucked up.
I wonder how many of these are second generation immigrants. I’m very much generalizing here, but they can frequently be some of the most “fuck you got mine” people throughout history (like, a lot of Irish and Italian Americans second generations voted for all sorts of racist douchebags up and down the eastern seaboard in the 1960s-1990s, I think a similar thing happened with German Americans and Polish Americans in the Midwest).
I have never understood that. My dad was an immigrant and he always told me about how I should be grateful for where I lived (which I somewhat was until Wednesday morning) and welcoming to people like him who came here from different places. He always said he was “American by choice” and felt that was a choice that was important to offer to others.
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I’m not sure if school failed you or you’re just not an American, but either way: Puerto Rico is part of the USA.
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I have no idea what you’re talking about.
I’m talking about this.
Calm your tentacles your gonna ink yourself. Its real simple im trying to explain the low IQ thought process. Puerto Rico is an island, they speak Spanish. If you were born there it’s your homeland. Maybe you grow up and think the opportunity is less than ideal. Sometimes in jokes people say exaggerations and use imagery to help convey a message or punchline. Then you travel to the USA mainland to make a better life for your family.
Congratulations you agree have migrated and agree with people who don’t have your best interest at heart.
the garbage homeland
Puerto Rico is not garbage
I haven’t been, but my parents went maybe 20 years ago and they told me that San Juan is kind of run down but that the island as a whole is beautiful.
Which is what I would have expected to hear and it sure doesn’t sound like garbage to me.
How the fuck can they say it was better 4 years ago. Do they mean right before Covid hit? Right before people lost their jobs and the dumbass politicized an illness? Right before people couldn’t get baby formula? Right before people started fighting for fucking toilet paper? Before people started dying?
Dumb, dumb motherfuckers. You won’t be at the table, you’re going to be on the table, a table you built, and torn apart with knives you sharpened. You dumb fucks.
I think Trump bullshits well, then inherited good economy and whatnot from Obama, started canceling all that shit, which Biden then has been trying to fix and now Trump gets it again.
Policies take time to show and that’s something these people didn’t account for, imo.
Dumb, dumb motherfuckers.
Hard agree.
Everyone ignores that Trump took a booming economy and turned it into almost a recession on his first term.
Covid covered it up while he completely fucked up handling it too. He made it far far worse than doing nothing and hiding in a bunker. He actively withheld medical aid and caused countless deaths.
But somehow he has over 50m supporters instead of a jail cell.
I honestly don’t know how this country can recover when the right can drown out facts and rewrite history with lies.
I can’t wait until we get to 2028 so we can talk about how eggs are more expensive than they are now. Oh wait, that only happens when democrats are in office
The trump economy had a decent distance to fall for most people. The whole regime was a clusterfuck, but it was only starting to hit the majority of people in 2019. That was massively overshadowed by the pandemic which many people don’t realize how much worse we handled it than other countries like France and Vietnam. Well now that we just barely touched a soft landing for his fuck ups they’re about to see how bad his economic policies are. We’re gonna get fucked in the ass but unable to afford lube
Gee, what didn’t we have yet four years ago? Oh, that’s right, a global pandemic shutdown and the resulting stimulus. Definitely the fault of the Dems.
Dumb people: BuT STiMuLUS cHeCKS!
As a Latino, I’m gonna mother fuck and cuss out any Latino I meet who voted Trump.
Yup. I live in the FSA (fucked states of america), am latina and I know a few of those fuckers. Beyond disappointing
Your energy would be better spent blaming the politicians for not advocating policies that cater to the worried and concerns of voters
Do you really think people who casted their votes this way are blameless?
The Democrats have their fair share of responsibility for not dealing with the reality of what they have to work with and advocating better positions and trying to solve their problems. Significant blame.
But that doesn’t make Trump voters or non-voters not culpable for cutting off their nose to spite their face. It’s still wildly ignorant at best and evil at worst.
“Party of intersectionality and identity politics blames cis Latino men and cis black men for dem election loss while calling republicans racist. More at eleven.”
Mexico has a populist female president. This loss is not because of identity politics or sexism, it’s because Kamala did not address economic issues that voters care deeply about.
I don’t know how much I can be mad at the mentally impaired for voting against their own interest. Like, I can be mad about it but really I’m just frustrated how the system encourages their exploitation.
It’s really just systemic failure all the way down. The constitution is a sham and needs a full rewrite. Giving each state the same power in the senate and capping the house is beyond corrupt and feeds the general apathy.
The voters are not to blame. This is the democrats and dnc fault 100%
Latino for Trump here.
Is this the line for the free tears?
Nah it is the one for the free ridicule though.
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4 years ago…in the height of COVID?
You know you won’t be given a phone call or sent a new driver’s license or something when we’ve entered idiocracy. You’ll just wake up one day and be in it. And that one day was about two days ago.
Welcome to Costco, I love you.
Idiocracy would be an upgrade, it has a president who listened to people smarter than himself.
But he wasn’t the first president along their path of decline, right? He’s the dude that was left with the pending shortage of burrito fixings and finally had to get serious about shit.
Also maybe Commacho is the archetype for what a democratic nominee will have to devolve into to finally be “heard” by the broken weirdo populous that use politics as a sport and life identity.
Go read all the headlines about “dems don’t know how to communicate with large parts of America” - that statement doesn’t mean they said “you all” when they should have said “y’all”… It means that J.D. Pritzker has to start wearing a hot dog costume, legally change his name to “$HITcago DOG” go around the country for the next four years holding rallies where he farts the national anthem, gives everyone who attends a FULL SIZE Snickers bar and humps a blow up doll with marge taylor greene’s face taped to it. Along the way, he’ll gently sprinkle in messaging, but all of this will also involve just so many compromised principles in a continuing Overton window shift, where the platform devolves to “don’t be a dick sometimes, asshole”. There’s your bumper sticker.
I mean, Camacho was also black, so definitely not a Republican president.
All of this is stressing me out… i’m going to Starbucks.
I could really use an adult latte right about now.
Relax, ICE may empty their facilities, bit life will go on as normal. The rule of law will prevail.
Y’all can be furious with this guy if you want, but he’s probably the most important person to be listening to. The block that determines elections has always been the sizable mass of extremely low information voters who don’t have any strong political affiliations and vote mainly because of some vague sense of civic duty.
They aren’t interested in economic and foreign policy debates. They don’t care about intangibles like democratic norms and the rule of law. They don’t want to hear your class analysis or how qualified you are to give it. The only question they’re considering is “Has life been going well for me and the people in my community that I care about?” That’s it. It’s a vibe check.
Good vibes? Vote for those in power. Bad vibes? Vote against those in power.
This is the voter you need to convince if you want to win.
the sizable mass of extremely low information voters
If this was the 1920s you’d have a point. Hell, the 1950s, 60’s even.
It’s 2024. There’s a huge mass of information in every square inch of the world now. There’s no excuse for being so goddamned stupid.
“Out here, you pay $5 for a dozen eggs. It used to be $1, or even 99 cents,” Mr Negron added. “A lot of us have woken up, in my opinion, from Democratic lies that things have been better. We realised things were better then.”
Listen to that fucking garbage. “Democratic lies” “We realised things were better then”. That’s right wing media copypasta if there ever was any.
Absolute fucking shitheaded moron fuck who’s screwed us all to ingratiate himself with nazis.
Like I said, be mad if you want. Doesn’t change anything. His vote still counts the same as mine and everybody else’s. You still live in a world where you need that guy to be on your side. You can either shout at the wind that the world isn’t the way you think it should be or figure out how to improve the world that is actually in front of you.
Absolute fucking shitheaded moron fuck who’s screwed us all to ingratiate himself with nazis.
Guy isn’t trying to ingratiate himself with anybody. He just told you what he was trying to do—make the world better for himself and his family. In particular, he wants to spend less on groceries. Low information voters might not be able to connect the dots between supreme court nominations, monetary policy, and broad economic trends, but they will unfailingly notice they’re spending 20% more on groceries than they did four years ago. You want to point out that it’s not the Democrats fault inflation ballooned out of control? I’m right there with you. I voted that way in Pennsylvania. That guy doesn’t care. He voted the other way because he wants cheaper groceries and as far as he can tell, Democrats didn’t get it done. Calling him a moron and Nazi ally isn’t going to change that.
There’s no excuse for being so goddamned stupid.
Sure. Guess what: it doesn’t matter. They are that fucking stupid, and excuse or no, they are the idiots you need to convince if you want to get elected.
How are they made well-informed?
It’s a goddamned mystery I tells ya.
How are they made well informed? They probably aren’t. That’s the problem.
Trump voters aren’t going to be turned in any significant proportion. They voted for awfulness.
Elections are generally won or lost based on how well the Democrats get people engaged. Want to win an election? Talk about the things that matter to the average person. Want to lose an election? Be the Democrats
https://theonion.com/a-well-informed-populace-is-vital-to-the-operation-of-a-1819594267/
I can’t believe that’s an Onion article as much as of course it is.
I fish a lot. I fish with blue collar types and run in circles with fishing guides. I know a fishing guide who spends 8-12 hours per day on the water, something like 200 days per year with clients and many others just scouting so he can put clients on more fish. He has a part time retail job for the days he’s not fishing. He doesn’t doom scroll all day, and probably only gets a few minutes to scroll Instagram or Twitter in the evening before he goes to sleep because he’s up before sunrise driving to spots and loading his raft/gear into the water and pulling everything out to wash it in the evening. Sometimes he drives over an hour to fish, sometimes he stays overnight in certain areas. He doesn’t really read the news, he only interacts with a handful of other fishing guides and fishermen, he works two jobs, and that’s it.
I also fish with another guy in construction management. He’s on site most days, probably doom scrolls a little bit. He’s a relatively smart guy, savvy on niche musical genres and other really weird technical topics, but not educated at all and never graduated college. He’s kinda engaged but not really, and he does pretty well to filter all the political stuff out so he can focus on things that he’s interested in.
Harris proposed absolutely nothing for either of them. No tax proposals that would help them, no improvements to their health insurance (though both are probably through the ACA), no job/industry prospects, no financial assurances, just…nothing. All they heard were abortion, democracy, and “not Trump.” Neither of them even like Trump, and they find MAGA cringey AF, but they both said almost exactly the same thing to me at some point over the past few months:
“I mean, I’m fucked either way, so it really doesn’t matter.”
And you know what? They’re absolutely right. They are. Trump’s the only one who even tries to speak to their concerns, and for many people that’s enough.
We gotta figure out how to capture the moron vote to win? This all just makes me want to quit. Those idiots are going to get what they deserve.
Most people are morons, so yeah, we do.
Given that the people won’t accept the necessary complex solutions to complex problems due to the intential destruction of our publoc education system both to keep them ignorant and controllable and to not pay for them, and want simple answers that don’t exist without deception, all there is is subsistence until collapse, and start over after all that pain without the artificial restrictions held up by both parties to keep the wealthy wealthy and the poor poor.
This place is nothing but a slavery trap, keeping people ignorant by design and dependent on the scraps of the capitalists. I hope climate change forces the collapse and this slavery trap doesn’t limp along for more generations born to suffer needlessly for the masters.
“We saw a huge difference when Trump was president,” Dietzler said, adding that he was drawn to Trump’s embrace of former Democrats like Robert F Kennedy Jr
These people are morons. And they’re happy about it.
To be fair I notice a huge difference when trump was president and it determined how I voted.
Same. That’s why I voted for Harris
zactly
Welcome to America
I’m calling it. The Fed will start gradually lowering its interest rates down to near 0 as the stock market booms with cheap money. The news will show troubling social and geopolitical problems that will be quickly swept over by the latest Dow Jones and S&P 500 values getting to absurd heights. People will start grumbling about the nation’s problems again while Trump will say it’s the “Deep State” causing all of this and pointing the finger at Democrats and undocumented immigrants.
Inflation starts to spike again at the start of the 4th year of Trump’s presidency. Even more people will start to go homeless as the average monthly cost of a 1 bedroom apartment soars to $3k. If Trump is still “healthy”, the Supreme Court will declare a sitting president can hold on to power during times of emergency and cancel US elections.
given the china tarrifs it might be one of those faster than expected thing.
War against mexico. Human safari drone tactics against southern US cities. Internment camps for Latios. Martial law. No more voting ever.
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The president doesn’t have magical knobs that will lower the prices of eggs or fuel.
We are still feeling the effects of post-Covid economy, materials and products got expensive and most never came back down. The president can’t do anything about that unless they are going to interfere with the free market. Really ignorant of people to vote for Trump on that basis.
They actually do… Or at least, the government as a whole does. If you look back at the great depression, WW2 and its aftermath, and the radical actions that the US government took to solve the cost of living crisis then, you can see that it absolutely is possible.
Would it have been possible for Biden in 2020? Technically, yes. The Dems held two branches, and with an end to the filibuster rule and court packing they could theoretically have secured control in the third. A razor thin margin in the senate would have required some very clever, and possibly very ruthless backroom dealing to get things done. But the possibility did, technically, exist.
Buying into the narrative that radical solutions are impossible is exactly why people are sick of the Democrats. Yes, obviously Trump will only make things worse, but the average person doesn’t see that. They only see that they tried handing the keys to the Dems, things only got worse, so now they’re going to try handing the keys to the other guys.
And if they actually took the time to look into WHY anything was happening that they didn’t like or enjoy, they would have eventually found some answers somewhere.
Dude, we have a WHOLE entire “team” of ReDUMBlicans who will bitch and whine that anything good that is offered by Democrats IMMEDIATELY gets shut down or must make changes to include something stupid, just so they can get their grubby little fingers into it. OR try to sue for it, which just clutters up our court system.
The president, at least a Democrat one, CAN NOT just do whatever the fuck they want to do, for those exact reasons.
Too many ignorant dumbasses that can’t understand the concept of delayed effects. The upturn in the economy during Trump’s last time in office was a delayed effect of Obama’s administration. The shit we’re in now is because of Trump’s. This shit has happened every single time a Republican has been in office during my life. They fuck everything up, but the effects aren’t seen until they’re gone.
Outside of the economy: This dumb orange prick was in office during the height of the COVID pandemic and people are still dying from that. If you think it was better 4 years ago, you must have been hiding under a rock.
yep, economy is like cold molasses.
The presidents effect on the economy only really starts to come about in their 3rd and 4th year. the first year or two is just carry over, good or bad, from the previous admin.
But that takes thinking… and if theres one thing Americans hate more than eachother, its having to hurt themselves by using the weird thinky head hurty meats.
Politicians should be able to communicate effectively, and part of that is knowing your audience. The Democrats failed to reach the working class, it’s that simple.
It’s simple, really. You and your loved ones will be the first to be tossed on buses when they start collecting people. Enjoy 😊
^ no I’m not remotely happy about this. But I guess people gotta find out that hard way.
No you don’t understand, they’re the good ones who came here legally. Nevermind all the rest.
No but realistically, it would be logistically impossible to round up eleven million people.
No but realistically, it would be logistically impossible to round up eleven million people.
laughs in Holocaust numbers
laughs in Holocaust numbers
lol immigrants have guns and border employees are not ready to die for trumps ideology.
Who says it needs to be government employees?
I’m sure there’s plenty of militias out there who would be happy to do all this rounding up for Trump, once he gives them a wink and a nod. Wouldn’t even need to pay them.
Well citizens and militias would have no legal authority. So yeah. Go to the park, go in nature. Lemmy is really trying hard to out some doom-scape ideals.
Also: THEY ARE NOT READY TO DIE FOR THIS.
Forget about Jan. 6th 2021 already? I don’t recall any legal authority there and yet it still happened.
Also, we’ve had bounty programs in the past for populations of people.
Yeah, perfect example, 1 person shot and the roaches scattered. Also the Capitol police were there so……
Bounty Programs in the past, let’s keep the discussion within the realm of possibility
How would you know?
Guns don’t do shit against drones. Enjoy your future hiding from white supremacists doing “human safari” tactics.
Imagine having a drone knock on your door.
I’m guessing these guys somehow missed the /c/Ukraine posts of the drones absolutely destroying the exact kind of minivans these people drive? And that’s Ukraine
They’d be fucked against a modern US military actually hunting them, if they ever left their homes
