I seriously cannot have any degree of nuanced conversation here.
Like I get it, we all know capitalism is bad, but it feels like every time I or anyone go towards discussing the steps that need to be taken to address current looming problems in the short term, someone has to jump in and shut it down with "capitalism bad >:[ " and tear down any idea presented because its not complete and total destruction of the current economic model.
The result just feels like an echo chamber where no actual solutions get presented other than someone posting whole ass dissertations on their 33-step (where 30/33 steps are about as vague as “we’ll just handle it”) plan to fully convert the world to an anarchist commune.
Edit: I still vastly prefer Lemmy and the fediverse and a whole, my complaint here is that many of you are TOO INTENSE. You blow up small scale discussion.
Welcome to the Internet? It’s not just Lemmy lol
Agree. Reddit was the same thing if not worse. Nuance is [apparently] dead and if you do not explain everything from the dawn of Man to cover your thought, people pick the comment apart like carrion as if you’ve never thought about anything deeply before. They might even gloss over things you did say and attempt to invalidate or discredit your post because only they hold the Truth of the Internet handed down from the Elders. It can be a bit frustrating.
Did you even consider vegans don’t eat decaying flesh? You cant just hold everyone to your standards. I’m not even going to bother reading the rest of what you wrote because you’re so fundamentally wrong already that I’m confident i can stop there and not miss anything of substance.
It is quite often that responses seem to come from school age children who just discovered [insert edgy counter-culture ideology], and all of their responses and world views revolve around a rudimentary desire for that ideological utopia, with very little consideration given to sociology or economics. I suppose that is actually who’s responding a lot of the time. All real world considerations are discarded, and any issues you identify are perceived as stupid/shill/Trumper/dummy/capitalist drivel with zero consideration given.
Agreed, often if you check the post history of folks like that you’ll see that they’re still in school.
Sure, but have you tried using Linux, going vegan and guillotining billionaires?
I dunno man, I didn’t come here looking to contribute to or find a plan to fix the world. I came here to doom scroll and look at memes.
I find Lemmy significantly worse than reddit was in this regard. The number of times I’ve had my different (not unpopular outside of lemmy) opinion met immediately with personal insults is way higher here in the few months I’ve been here than my years with reddit.
I’ve just been learning not to engage on any of the lemmy propaganda areas, and that leaves me with a lot less active communities.
I agree, and attribute that to the kind of people who would boycott Reddit forever, where the largest part of the lemmy population seems to originate from.
As much as I roll my eyes at the overuse of the term, lemmy is mostly comprised of the "woke"est of the reddit population.
I discovered Lemmy and Hacker news at roughly the same time, and the difference in comment quality is striking. Obviously HN is a lot more mature platform, and more specialised, but still… People over there are lamenting the quality of their comments and saying they’re not what they used to be, but the majority are interesting and constructive
It’s cool if you like to circle jerk with libertarian tech bros I suppose.
It’s a shame that this discussion so frequently centers around the political discussions, but this has definitely seeped into the broader discourse. Short, low-effort comments with no actual content are nearly always at the top. The only solution I can see is to create some heavily moderated spaces where low-effort comments will not fly, but we’ve seen time and time again that lemmy users are more anti-moderation than most.
There are heavily moderated spaces, but they seem dedicated to banning anyone who dissents rather than culling low quality posts.
They also have a reddit-scale visceral hatred for religion lmao
Yea, I saw couple of people that want to discuss religion and faith in the civil manner but the majority is drowning out the conversation. I would love to have a safe space for discussing such topics but I already have couple of communities that I contribute as a sole person and I am unwilling to create another one.
I actually appreciate the flow of opinions and information from people with other viewpoints and political opinions. Yeah people can be too intense like you say. I’ve really enjoyed learning about politics from a communist’s perspective. I was sort of blown away by people who disliked liberals but their talking points weren’t those of the American right wing. They were leftist communists, and their viewpoints are really fascinating. I’ve really gone into the rabbit hole learning about class warfare and historical actions of communist countries. If people are trying to spread their viewpoints they should be able to make compelling arguments to support the things they advocate for. I’d be happy to digest more communist information/propaganda/marketing it’s really well thought out stuff.
Remember most people are teenagers.
I feel like many people here are literally unreasonable. Any person with any faith at all is an idiot, all enlightened atheists are superior… FuckCars seems to be leaking and anyone who has to drive for their job is hated on… Linux is the only option, you should never, ever use Windows for anything… etc…
Like, not everything is black and white! The real world is shades of grey and often requires compromise. But the loudest voices here seem to be extremists that slap down any comment that isn’t 100% what they believe in. It’s exhausting…
I mean, to be fair, it is the internet.
a large portion of people on it are, in fact, idiots.
Thats the price we paid when the internet went from a nerd toy in the mid/late 90s, to essential utility in the aughts.
As a nerd who was on the internet in the 90s I can assure you that was no filter against idiots.
