I am not familiar enough with Canadian surveillance to have an opinion there which is why I specifically did not mention that side. I also fully agree they will have a lot more civilian support (again, the part people forget about when masturbating over the idea of shooting someone with a gun) which would mean any actions would be closer to “wipe out the neighborhood” than rolling up because some white lady submitted a tip.
But once even the Canadian special forces (who are god damned terrifying) cross over to the US side? All the same surveillance is against them. Quick border strikes will likely work as they’ll be back on the Canadian side fairly quickly. Any deeper attack involves navigating US streets which involves navigating US camera systems. And it is pretty trivial to automate the tracking of the group who shot up a military base until they “disappear” into the forest on the side of the interstate… and then wait with cameras in any place they are likely to return (while sending drones to sweep the area).
With a LOT of time spent evading? Yeah, people who are sufficiently trained (so not the weekend warriors on the gun range… which is also much less of a thing in Canada because of sane-ish gun control laws) can spend significant amounts of time evading and even bivvying. But that then means the “reign of terror” operations become few and far between.
You are assuming that the surveillance systems will be uninterrupted/unaffected by this partisan activity rather than a main target of it. Once it’s damaged, how easily do you think it will be repaired?
Ah, so we are back to the idea of a mass coordinated uprising where everyone organizes via (let’s be honest) reddit to simultaneously destroy the entire US infrastructure. Ah, that makes sense.
Because if you just pop every camera between your tent in the park and the Target you set on fire…
I feel like you are still making a lot of assumptions here. Say there are 5 unrelated people in a city who participate (pretty small numbers). No coordination or communication. There are limited targets within that city. If one does something and damages the surveillance, it will not be repaired instantly. Weeks likely. When this begins happening more frequently, that downtime will increase.
… So now we are at the point of mass coordinated attacks where no coordination is involved but everyone magically hits different targets? All with the power of their AR-15 they bought at Walmart?
Also: This is America. People lose their shit if the wage slaves at starbucks shut down for the afternoon. All it takes is one terrorist/freedom fighter being made an example of to ensure people protect the status quo above all else.
Which gets back to the original point: People want to fantasize about shooting up the bad guys. The reality is that you need The People on your side. Which is why The Black Panthers (among others) focused so much on outreach that did not involve brandishing guns and making sure colt’s profit margins were super high this quarter.
I am not familiar enough with Canadian surveillance to have an opinion there which is why I specifically did not mention that side. I also fully agree they will have a lot more civilian support (again, the part people forget about when masturbating over the idea of shooting someone with a gun) which would mean any actions would be closer to “wipe out the neighborhood” than rolling up because some white lady submitted a tip.
But once even the Canadian special forces (who are god damned terrifying) cross over to the US side? All the same surveillance is against them. Quick border strikes will likely work as they’ll be back on the Canadian side fairly quickly. Any deeper attack involves navigating US streets which involves navigating US camera systems. And it is pretty trivial to automate the tracking of the group who shot up a military base until they “disappear” into the forest on the side of the interstate… and then wait with cameras in any place they are likely to return (while sending drones to sweep the area).
With a LOT of time spent evading? Yeah, people who are sufficiently trained (so not the weekend warriors on the gun range… which is also much less of a thing in Canada because of sane-ish gun control laws) can spend significant amounts of time evading and even bivvying. But that then means the “reign of terror” operations become few and far between.
You are assuming that the surveillance systems will be uninterrupted/unaffected by this partisan activity rather than a main target of it. Once it’s damaged, how easily do you think it will be repaired?
Ah, so we are back to the idea of a mass coordinated uprising where everyone organizes via (let’s be honest) reddit to simultaneously destroy the entire US infrastructure. Ah, that makes sense.
Because if you just pop every camera between your tent in the park and the Target you set on fire…
I feel like you are still making a lot of assumptions here. Say there are 5 unrelated people in a city who participate (pretty small numbers). No coordination or communication. There are limited targets within that city. If one does something and damages the surveillance, it will not be repaired instantly. Weeks likely. When this begins happening more frequently, that downtime will increase.
… So now we are at the point of mass coordinated attacks where no coordination is involved but everyone magically hits different targets? All with the power of their AR-15 they bought at Walmart?
Also: This is America. People lose their shit if the wage slaves at starbucks shut down for the afternoon. All it takes is one terrorist/freedom fighter being made an example of to ensure people protect the status quo above all else.
Which gets back to the original point: People want to fantasize about shooting up the bad guys. The reality is that you need The People on your side. Which is why The Black Panthers (among others) focused so much on outreach that did not involve brandishing guns and making sure colt’s profit margins were super high this quarter.
“mass coordinated”
Specifically said the exact opposite.
Uh-huh. Great debate.