Its the dumbest fucking advice I’ve found since everything is centralised and run from head offices but they dont seem to understand thats not a thing
Because that’s how it worked for pretty much everything back in the day when your chances of getting a loan from the bank depended on the impression of trustworthiness you projected on the bank manager when you asked for it, rather than some obscure algorithm running in the bank’s systems that didn’t take in account any feedback from an actual human.
Amongst large companies automation removed humans from the loop, at least at an early stage, so now your machine processable input and/or information about you extracted from some other sources about what you’ve done so far, matching whatever the algorithm is configured to favor is all that matters. Sure, beyond that you’ll almost certainly end up with a person making a final decision (for hiring, not for bank loans), but you first have to pass that big initial automated hurdle that’s supposed to separate the wheat from the chaff.
Amongst other things this has killed “being judged as having potential” as a way to get a foot on the door, unless you have a high score on a metric supposedly correlated to it such as good grades at a supposedly elite university, since unlike “impression” such metrics can be mathematically evaluated and compared by algorithms.
Mind you, when looking for work in smaller companies that haven’t outsourced their hiring, impressions still work since your first point of contact is going to be a person whose opinion counts rather than an algorithm or a person too low on the pecking scale for their judgement to be taken in account.
You can get into a lotta places wearing a hard hat and reflective vest while carrying a ladder.
The louvre for example
Or a clip board with some technical papers on it, in case you don’t want to lug a ladder.
Because life was literally that easy for them.
If they had a pulse, they usually got the job
You were guaranteed if you also dressed like the fancy people on television.
The world has changed for sure. They still have their positions but how they got them no longer works. The pay no lomger buys either.
*If you were white
This is truth. Immigrant and minority boomers/Gen X didn’t have it this easy. They were dodging racists like landmines and racist hiring practices were way less frowned upon back then.
Black people had jobs they just weren’t paid
Good clothes used to be expensive and a signifier of wealth. Someone who could wear a suit likely had money and someone who had a fashionable suit likely had more money. Over the past generation, as clothing became cheaper and large parts of the richer segments have up on dressing well, the value of wearing a suit dropped.
Wearing a suit is still valuable in some circumstances, but nowhere near as much as before.
It depends upon the setting and what you want. Showing up to a McDonalds shift in a suite and tie trying to get the CEO job. Not so much.
Showing up to your first office job and meeting with your bosses in a nice polo or button down shirt and slacks looking professional, yes. It signals you are eager and want to succeed. Which will go a long way.
Of course you still have to put the work in. But your boss will be more likely to give you more training/work/promotions if they know you want to learn and work over someone who doesn’t give a shit.
No, they aren’t talking about for an interview. They are talking about going in someplace in a suit and asking for a job. My mother insisted I did this when I got out of college. It only took a few receptionists looking at me like I’m crazy to be reaffirmed that this was a dumb idea. Even places that did have openings told me to apply online.
They are talking about going in someplace in a suit and asking for a job.
I’m GenX. In my entire working career over the years I’ve seen random people come in off the street, CV in hand, looking for a job not advertised. Not one of these people were ever hired.
Actually, now that I think of it. One guy was. My friend worked for a porn shop in the 80s that had video peep booths in the back. It was his job to clean these booths. A homeless guy came in looking for a handout and my friend hired him to clean the booths for a few bucks a day. Dude would come in every day and spend 10 minutes wiping spooge off the floor.
So I guess if you aspire to be a cum cleaner, this technique might work.
Never mind. I read some of their replies. You are correct.
That’s what they did the last time they searched for a job. It used to work.
This.
It’s old advice that used to work, and it worked very well.It still kind of works in some industries. I got my last 3 jobs, and 2 of them “weren’t hiring”, by walking into the joint and asking to talk to the boss and saying I can start in 2 weeks I juat have to give my current biss notice. In demanding industries, showing up in person makes an impression, another app on a stack of applications gets you nowhere. Lots of people apply, few can talk the talk and walk the walk or actually do the work. I the auto industry you show up and impress the foreman or manager with your knowledge and your pretty much in. I know people that work in welding and a construction that this also works for. I also have siblings that are white collar that this absolutely does nothing for. Supposeit also depends on how much of a giant corp you work for, as I never work for monolithic corporations. If I can’t meet my boss I can’t work there.
Ok, I agree with you, I do, buuuuut
If someone shows up to an interview wearing pajamas, they are probably less likely to get a job. So you do have to dress up a little bit, depending on what the job is.
Not even just job stuff, its as impractical as pushing you to apply for something government related and that your dressing up and showing up in person will somehow override literal requirements you know you dont meet
Gen-X here. The reason they’re giving you that advice is because that used to actually work. If you wanted a job, for instance, you needed to comb through newspapers or physically go around and look for places that were hiring. It wasn’t uncommon for ads to to say “apply in person.” Without the Internet making applying for a job almost trivially easy compared to how it used to be, going through the extra effort of showing up dressed professionally was a way to show that you were serious and willing to put in real effort.
The Boomers and Gen-Xers telling you to do the same aren’t living in the same decade as the rest of us, mostly because the Internet wasn’t pervasive in the time they were looking for jobs. Back in the 90s the Internet was kinda a novelty that you had to go looking for. It wasn’t, IMO, until smart phones came along that being online REALLY took off, though arguably iMac computers really pushed the “tech is trendy” idea out there.
My mom knows I’m job searching so she brought me a newspaper lol “mom those jobs are 100 percent human trafficking. I’ll just go online”
Movie recommendation - Catch me if you can (2002)! Apparently Jobs used to work like that so much that in the late 1960’s a 16 year old just conned his way into becoming a pilot, a doctor and a lawyer with no previous qualifications.
You should probably know the best con that Abagnale pulled is making people believe he actually did all of those things. Journalists have discovered that the vast majority of his claims are completely fabricated.
If I remember correctly he was also kinda a creep. Stalking women and what not.
If you want a good con look up the story about England’s brief #1 restaurant the shed at dulwich
Dude made a fake restaurant that became #1 on trip advisor even though it never existed. He then did one fake day of operation where he served microwave tv diners. Then when he was found out he did a bunch of interviews…. Except he didn’t, he hired actors to pretend to be him.
That’s the kinda con man I like.
Yeah Abagnale pretended to be a doctor and conducted 12 “fitness examinations”, supposedly for Pan Am, on young female students. Definitely creepy.
And then there’s the individual women who accused him of all sorts of stuff.
hell, even to this day in…1/3rd of US states there are literally zero requirements to become a judge, it’s just a popularity contest.
You need to know someone who works there I find. That way they actually read your CV.
The only time showing up in person works in the UK is if you’re a teenager looking for part time or apprenticeship work in independent shops/hospitality/mechanics etc.
with job sites being the primary source of job hunting, you wont even get a chance in most cases to even an interview. and you can just show up to a business with a suit on, and demand to see a interviewer.
Must be localized, doesn’t happen here. Where?
Maybe more of a north american thing
There was a scene in mythic quest like this.
That place you were going to will owe to give you the thing you want as a reward for your effort. This is exactly how the world works.
fun fact, in the medieval times it was custom that you could not sentence a person in front of court without their consent. yes, the consent of the person about to be judged. how times have changed.
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That’s some white people shit. Sorry, but it’s true.
You’re getting down votes but I remember very specifically a trope on Reddit more than 15 years ago was that as a dude you could dress up in a suit and show up with a clipboard and infiltrate any professional environment. I think it’s a throw back to the movie Catch me if you can. I never saw it myself but it certainly captured some imaginations.
Anyways, I remember thinking maybe if you’re a middle class or better off white dude this could work and some people went as far as to actually share that sentiment and they were received the same as you are right now.
