Everybody calm down. USA and Canada have an agreement allowing them to enter each other’s air space. They said that if Canada doesn’t buy enough F-35s USA will have to send more jests into Canada’s airspace to fill in the gaps. That’s it. It’s not “buy our jets or we will invade you”. It’s “if Canada doesn’t buy F-35 we will have to do more work in our agreement”.
This community really needs a clickbait title flagging process.
Our media needs to fucking quit the click baity titles.
Honestly, I’m a little surprised that this post wasn’t locked or had a comment pin stating that the title of this post is misinformation and that the actual body isn’t what the title indicates
The process is RTFA :)
return to fucking acronym. english is hard
Cute, but its obvious everybody checks replies first and you do so specifically to avoid giving clicks to bad actors so they can draw people in to sell ads
Bad headlines will get worse if you RTFA after falling for the clickbait. The incentives are fucked.
That’s why some of us have to do the hard work of reading before replying.
Which is why a flagging process creates a better incentive loop and reduces stupid incentives.
Sir, this is Lemmy. We thrive on clickbait headlines here :(
Seriously though. For all of Twitter’s awfulness, I think Lemmy could use a similar “reader added context” bubble right below the headline text. A corrective comment doesn’t really fix the engagement the headline gets.
But why isn’t Canada allowed to use whatever other jets it buys for that? Why does it have to be American made f-35s?
But Hoekstra warned that if Canada chooses to purchase Saab’s Gripen E jets, the U.S. would still need to reconsider how it works with its northern neighbor on security.
“If they decide they’re going with an inferior product that is not as interchangeable, interoperable as what the F-35 is, that changes our defense capability,” Hoekstra said.
“And as such, we have to figure out how we’re going to replace that,” the ambassador added.
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They are just saying that if Canada changes its plans US will have to adapt. Looking at what’s happening in Greenland this can be somehow considered as a threat (if you can’t defend yourself we will have to take over…) but it’s really a stretch. US will probably decide to deploy more F-35s there or something which makes total sense.
Idk. Sounds like the US whining but I guess a news article also isn’t going to reveal exact security terms and threats. Canada was going to use the same number of planes but from a different country and manufactured on Canadian soil with Canadian jobs. I think thats the biggest “threat” trump is worried about.
Also you should consider seperating your opinion from the quoted text using mark up.
A better question is why buy a shitty jet that even the US Navy rejected?
These turds have been parked in LA on software bugs for TWO YEARS.
They are the Jeep Wranglers of the military.
They are saying it is because of compatibility issues I assume. Everything is likely tied together to communicate based on the planes being F-35s.
Seems like something easy enough to fix by installing those same communication systems into the other planes.
You are right. The title is so misleading and I can’t believe someone with the title journalist on their resume wrote it.
They’ve used everything they’ve learned to twist the words into bait
“Such a nice airspace you have here, it would be a shame if something would happen to it” Also doesn’t say they would invade… still it’s a clear threat.
Putting a correlation on “more fighters jets in your airspace” on them buying more planes that cannot really be used to protect from the US (for software limitations) sounds a lot like a threat.
But, sure, you are technically correct
Is that what the pundits said about the president and his appointee threatening canada again? Yeah he threatened them but what he meant was best friends forever! Kind of a hard sell at this point I’m afraid. The US is the enemy, they are deeply hostile make no mistake, in league with Russia to blow up Nato, and in a confrontation with the west over territory could trip the kill switches they have in high end military gear they sell, bricking those jets.
It’s kinda loud in here, did the headline say ‘piece of shit fuckface Trump gives Canada reason #563 to stop trading with the US and increase trade with Europe, China, etc’?
Pretty much, yes. They just don’t get over there?! Whoohoohoo!!!
To do what? Fly around, wasting tax payer money?
I was walking past the 7-11 the other day and the manager came out and forced me to buy a slurpee by gunpoint. USA! USA! /s
He said if I didn’t, he’d forcefeed a slurpee down my throat, at his expense.
Whatever it takes to distract from the Epstein files sir!
Basically: you are getting those F-35’s whether you want them or not.
I hate this timeline, but that’s funny
Buy our fighter jets or we’ll send you fighter jets
Sounds like free delivery.
For free(dom)
What
Buy our fighters jets or we invade with fighter jets ?
What absolute fuck is wrong with this country
Nobody reads.
No, I definitely read.
Canada doesn’t want to pay for the massive cost overruns. The US said “fine, but we’ll have to shore up the NORAD system by sending OUR fighters into YOUR airspace as necessary.” If there is no agreement as to how that occurs and the US does it anyway, that is an invasion. Quite literally.
Part of NORAD already allows both Canada and the US to enter each other’s airspace in the interest of dealing with threats. This is an existing negotiation.
What the ambassador is stating is that if Canada does decide to backtrack on the program (which full disclosure I agree with because they failed to meet their deadline and the cost overrun is through the roof), In order to “prevent gaps”, they would increase their f35 presence Which is also why they referenced that they would need to alter the current NORAD plan.
This is a quote from one of the sources that the article uses for its claims.
“NORAD would have to be altered,” U.S. Ambassador to Canada Pete Hoekstra told CBC News in an exclusive interview at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona. He says the United States would likely need to purchase more of the advanced fighter aircraft for its own air force, and would fly them more often into Canadian airspace to address threats approaching the U.S. “If Canada is no longer going to provide that [capability], then we have to fill those gaps,” said Hoekstra.
The Posted article cherry-picks the hell out of its sources to try and make a mountain out of a mole hill.
The entire article could be summarized with “US ambassador states that if Canada backs out of F-35 deal, US will need to increase resources to fill the gap” But instead of doing so, the author decided to make a title that makes it indicate that the US ambassador is threatening to invade Canada over it. Disingenuous reporting.
And what with them?
Make them say it.
Canada would be dumb to go forward, everyone knows the US has kill switches in their gear and now might hostilely engage canada, perhaps to steal territory, and otherwise has talked of invading other nato countries like in Greenland.
In which case the US could brick all of the gear they sold them. It’s already bad enough, Canada has to buy from EADS or whomever builds their air forces, I would not trust the UK either at this point, they are properfucked by their own neoliberal type politicians in labour, that have done more damage than the tories the past couple of years…
If the Americans put kill switches in gear they sold to Canada, that is a reason for Canada to NOT buy more gear with kill switches. Instead, Canada should resecure their supply chain of military equipment.
Yeah that was what I was saying too. The US is the enemy now. Sadly but there it is. Maybe the new supreme leader will make nice, but I doubt it.
everyone knows the US has kill switches in their gear
Because you read it on Lemmy?
There is no kill switch, that would be stupid and a huge vulnerability. The “kill switch” is a metaphor for the supply chain required to keep the jets active. If the US stopped sending parts, the jets would be useless after a few sortis.
It’s a longstanding rumour, I read about it in the times back 20 years ago, and elsewhere later, you haven’t heard that before? There’s another, that the US has kill switches hidden in the majority of the world’s computers, they send a signal to it and it bricks.
I believe both of them, you are free to believe the taxoplasmosis parasites that tell you the government wouldn’t do that what do I care.
That’s absurd. All it would take is one disgruntled worker to post proof about it. And foreign powers would pay handsomely for a spy or hacking group to provide details. It’s well known that countries like Russia, North Korea, Israel, etc. all have highly talented hacking groups on their payrolls. If they had the slightest feeling that the US implemented such kill switch technology then they’d all be doing everything they could to exploit it. It’s not worth the risk.
It’s not that type of software, more like a fusible link, something you would never find.
If it is remotely controllable then it can be exploited by adversaries.
Hasn’t been so apparently they know what they are doing.
what’s a little extortion among friends.
I mean it’s always been like this basically.
But less publiclywut.
If you don’t buy from me, I’ll bomb you.
pretty classic US negotiating technique, actually; just normally used against “brown” countries.
Really‽ That sounds bannanas!
No, negations for bananas usually goes “Suppress your workers enough that we get bananas for pennies or we will arm terrorists”.
