If the broader population is so retarded that their vote can be controlled by clankers on reddit to this extent, then democracy is a fundamentally flawed system.
Democracy is a bad system. However it is the best we have right now.
Well the big plan is to replace it with Ai and world government later, so… Won’t be an issue. Who needs democracy when you have AI making the “best” decisions. :)
Any system ruled by humans is a flawed system. Which is why democracy must be ruled bottom-up and not top-down. And have more than one representative, on any level. And last but not least, good general education (which is why the fascist always start there).
I called this years ago (ruled by humans being flawed, not bottom-up democracy which IMO is a half-measure). AI is the only solution that can be better long-term than democracy. I do not, however, mean we should let Claude run society. We’d need actual AGI that doesn’t just get trained, but learns properly on its own without cheap tricks like writing memory files. It also shouldn’t be influenced by any individuals or organizations.
It’s really a pipe dream at this stage.
Right and wrong are just words. What matters is what you do.
(I just watched that episode of Futurama where Bender was God and it’s a perfectly fitting analogy here, I think).
Firstly, your proposal requires a perfect and noble system. There’s two major problems right there…one in developing a perfect system, and the other in defining what “noble” actually means.
What’s good for one may be bad for another. In often cases it is, especially under a capitalist system where we are made to compete directly with each other.
An example…my box of Kellog’s Raisin Bran says, on the back, “Cereal makes eating well easy”. I misread it at first and thought it said “cereal makers eating well”, and pondered about that for a moment.
As a consumer, we don’t want cereal makers eating well. I mean, we say we do, but our actions prove otherwise. Consumers are disincentivised from the cereal makers (as in the grain farmers) eating well, because that means a more expensive product, which is money out of their pockets, which now means they are eating less well than they would have. We are subconsciously at war with our peers.
Ew, lol.
This is the elite wet dream, yes. Replace all pesky humans with machines, because “democracy doesn’t work”… Except it does work, if you have a unbiased media and an educated population.
Humans ruled by some AI that will never be influenced by humans will never happen. What if the Ai suggests things that are bad for the rulers of society? There will always be corrupt humans directing our systems, to stay rich and powerful.
Which means we need less technology, less machines, less surveillance, to have a society where humans can feel free and happy. Unlimited technology leads to dystopia for humans.
This is the elite wet dream, yes. Replace all pesky humans with machines
I’m proposing that the elite be replaced with machines. I’m not saying it’s easy, nor necessarily even possible, certainly not at the current level of technological and societal development.
Except it does work, if you have a unbiased media
There’s no such thing as truly unbiased media, it’s nearly impossible. Or are you proposing banning all media that isn’t state media? Private media will always have an agenda. Often so will state media though, and that can easily become even more dangerous.
and an educated population.
Doesn’t work. Or are you going to force everyone into poli sci majors? Majority of Europe has free higher education and in most countries the far right has been on the rise again. Even plenty of educated people vote for those parties. Hell, I can tell you that many of the people IN those parties, at least in my country, have degrees one might consider relevant to good governance (history, law, etc) and yet they spew hate.
What if the Ai suggests things that are bad for the rulers of society?
The idea is that the AI has to be the ruler of society and nobody else can have power over it. It also involves developing perfect AI first. I did say it was a pipe dream, didn’t I?
There will always be corrupt humans directing our systems, to stay rich and powerful.
It goes without saying that the existence of private property is part of that plan. The AI would decide who needs how much resources. The book you’ve named yourself after is kind of relevant, but the inner party still consisted of humans and they had ulterior motives. As O’brian himself said, the party’s ultimate goal was nothing other than just the control itself. The AI would have to have an ultimate goal of maximum human happiness, freedom and longevity, as much as possible without giving people freedom to have power over others.
Which means we need less technology, less machines, less surveillance, to have a society where humans can feel free and happy.
Doesn’t work either, unless society is fewer than 100 people or so. Above that we start developing these nasty things called hierarchies. Rulers and such. No human rulers can be allowed to exist if we want a truly just society. Impartial, completely neutral humans don’t exist. Democracy doesn’t work because voters can be swayed and BDFLs are just that, FL. They die and the next one might not be very B, but will be just as D if not moreso.
Hopefully you never achieve an ounce of power, lol.
Slurs fucking suuuck!
I’m a cyborg, I can say it.
Yeah but why would you want to? Gross.
Honestly the older I get the more cynical I get.
It is, but the other systems are at least as flawed and much worse when things go really bad.
Retarded education system = retarded people = failing democracy
Slurs fucking suuuck!
I love all Lemmy-goers, but I’m amused by how .ml users here don’t seem to get the joke…
Same for .world tbh, though not as bad.
My other account that I created when Sopuli was down and that has stayed logged in on another device I use, was banned from pretty much all .world communities for criticizing zionists and pretty much all .ml communities for criticizing the CCP lol
I saw some huffing some serious copium saying “those DCs didn’t have any bots! They were just indexers for a search engine!”… right, like you knew and trusted what was running on every single server in those DCs.
Eh. I actually think there didn’t seem to be many bots at those locations. But they have bots somewhere, and the joke is funny anyway.
TBF they did have Alisa AI training and inference machines in those data centers, but I doubt they saw any significant use in propaganda campains.
.ml is an echo chamber cultivated by handful of mods who control all the popupar subs. Its just like reddit
They’re all feeling a bit disconnected.
They probably had mor important things to do like catching the bus…
I can’t see them because My instance blocked them
You don’t see them because your instance blocked them. I don’t see them because I blocked that instance. We are not the same. <adjusts tie>
Enjoy the downvotes
Fucking lol
When I despair about how Ukraine can ever rebuild after this war, my mind keeps circling back to their expertise at blowing up data centres. This could prove a highly marketable skill!
A bit sad that the most profitable expertise we’ve gained is blowing shit up and making things that blow shit up. But if it keeps us alive, I’ll take that.
Brings me great joy seeing Ukainians on the threadiverse despite the uh, heavy opposition presence here
Still better than Reddit or Twitter here. Lots of support as well!
Some of us allive, anyway.
my mind keeps circling back to their expertise at blowing up data centres
You’d be better off consulting the Houthis. They don’t need tens of billions in foreign aid to pull it off
Except for all the weapons and funding Iran has given them over the years…
Do you think that that support is equal to the entirety of NATO supporting a full scale war for more than half a decade?
Hey, how about you go fuck yourself.
Did a houthi fuck your wife or something? Let’s unpack this anger.
We need a per fighter number comparing international aid to Ukraine against Iranian aid to the Houthis. I’d actually be surprised if the numbers were far off based on the size of the AFU and the difficulty the Houthis must have in getting arms after Russia turned off the tap to the black market.
And Trumps cabinet just met with Russian Envoy today in the whitehouse.
hah, funny political meme. Lemmy just pop on into the comments real quick.
Yep. About what i expected.Did they even say thank you?
Homie, it was about the economy. I wish USAmericans would give a fuck about anything else, but it was the gas prices.
Gas prices, grocery prices, ICE raids, school closures, job losses…
It was a lot of things
Yeah, I meant gas prices as shorthand for the economy in general but you’re right. I’m not so sure about the ICE raids. If the economy was doing well, I don’t think they would have moved the needle, sadly.
I’m not so sure about the ICE raids.
El-Sayed doesn’t win Michigan without Trump going into Minnesota like he’s on a coke bender. Acton in Ohio and Hinojosa in Texas, too.
So much of the county absolutely hates this shit.
BTW your gas prices are high partly because whole US infrasttucture is built around exporting locally produced oil. Not turning into products. This is a structural defect noone ever bothered to fix
The implication was that it was about social media propaganda too…
I know. I’m saying it wasn’t.
Any other reason, then they’re policies sucking
I’m pretty sure 2024 was about the racism. The price of eggs was an excuse so they didn’t have to admit it was the racism.
We’re still guessing, but there were a lot of factors at play in the 2026 Midterms blue typhoon. Yes, runaway inflation, the affordability crisis and the global energy crisis felt at home were all large factors.
Curiously – and this brings me hope – open corruption and self-dealing by the Trump family and Republican pay-to-play politics was also a large factor. People are really vocal about it.
Weaponization of government departments, like the DoJ going after political enemies or state election boards, was a factor.
ICE and the concentration camps are a factor, though not as much as it really should be. This motivated the Latin flip.
After the gutting of the VRA and the southern-state gerrymanders, the US Black vote responded Oh, HELL NO!
The broken MAGA promises, the still-elusive Epstein files, the war in Iran after a promise of no more forever wars, pushed some MAGA true believers to the fringes of their movement. They just failed to show.
I don’t think so. Yes, the US is very racist in a lot of ways, but the reason Harris lost was because the Biden admin failed to do anything to substantially improve anyone’s life, and she didn’t appear credibly different. Biden was elected purely over dissatisfaction with Trump, but that wasn’t enough for a second win. We are in the same place right now. Dems won on dissatisfaction, but they’ll need to deliver results to win again in 2028.
The reson Harris lost was a dogshit planning with a cancer stricken candidate as vehicle. From the current perspective it looks like she was counting on Biden winning and then leaving the position due to health issues.
We already had a term with Trump, and knew how that worked out. On the campaign trail, Trump also said what he intended to do. His dictator for a day fantasies made his malevolence super clear. His promises were entirely implausible. (E.g. I Will end the Ukraine conflict in the first week.)
And then there was project 2025 which described how the Republican party planned to dismantle federal regulatory bodies and neuter federal elections.
No. They said so. #IVotedForThis — They wanted to see brown children back in cages again. They wanted a Schutzstaffel to disappear the undesirables. They didn’t care the patrician class was going to plunder the US treasury and its credit.
Of the severity-seven million American voters in who chose Trump, hundreds, maybe might be ignorant idiots, but most of them were malevolent. They still are.
To be fair, they’re also under the influence of a massive far-right propaganda machine that dominates social media and television viewership. FOX News uses the same brainwashing techniques that were used on US soldiers in Korea.
I understand the Democratic party postmortem suggested it was more benign issues, (trans athletes) but then I’m pretty sure that part of the party is captured and controlled opposition. They have cause to present a biased analysis.
I understand the Democratic party postmortem suggested it was more benign issues, (trans athletes)
Nobody cares about trans athletes. Harris lost because she never touched important stuff. Yes most of the people agree that abortion should be right of every woman. NO this is NOT an issue that will sway their votes one way or another. Average US citizen doesn’t care about war in Ukraine. But they do care about Epstein files. And all they got from Biden was 5 years of silence.
My only conclusion is that dems live in their own echo chamber.
You’re describing what motivates Trump’s base. They are in a cult, but they don’t win elections on their own. Believe it or not (and I don’t like it either), most people just care about their own lives.
Trump’s base are low-information, low-education voters. The rest of Americans should have actually seen Trump is a monster and should not be entrusted with power.
To be fair, most Democrats polled identify as moderate or centrist Democrats but then they agree with the main DSA positions that moderate Democratic officials stand against.
To paraphrase something that Jamelle Bouie recently said, The American people voted in a madman. And they’re going to have to collectively ask themselves some difficult questions about their intent, and even their capacity to self-govern.
I have every reason to be pessimistic.
They did. 1/3 of eligible voters chose hate and rascim. 1/3 said said anyone but Trump. And almost all of the remaining 1/3 saw the same racist pedophile who straight up told us what he was going to do. They looked at the malevolent evil he represented, weighed out the pros and cons of him being reelected and rather than vote against him, they decided that him winning was acceptable.
If that 1/3 of the country had voted for anyone else, then you might be able to say that they just couldn’t agree on who to vote for, and didn’t like her politics or the Biden administration or whatever. But that’s not what they did. They decided that what he represented was acceptable.You don’t just find that level of hate ”acceptable" without having enough of your own hate to make it not seem that bad.
Most people also treat everything as not real and inconsequential, other than what benefits them.
That guy looks like Vigo the Carpathian
It’s Doctor Who.
No matter what role he plays, it just looks like a badly pasted 11th Doctor’s face on top of the character.
Who?
🎶Aaaaaah who the fuck are you?!🎶
I am Yu, and he is Mi
The Dr. Of Whodo.
You do.
You remind me of the babe!
What babe?
The Australian that lives in a porta potty?
he’s just trying to save the world
vhy am I drippings wiss goo…?
It’s funny and all, but no credible source reported lowered Russian bot activity after those bombings. It’s one of those things that makes sense, but didn’t happen.
It was visible in my spam folder. Usually I get 1-2 russian spam emails a day, but from Oct 12th to October 17th they just stopped (the bombing was on the 11th)
Funny that it’s not just me, my oldest e-mail Account also gets 3-4 identical spam mails a day and they also completely stopped for a while after the 11th. My mails are in German though.
The data center hit only had crawlers. There is no noticeable lowering of Russian bot activity.
There is no way to know that
There are organisations trying to monitor bot activity and none of them saw a noticeable decline.
That does not mean the datacenter hit was only hosting crawlers
People just want to believe whatever they want. You are right all this points directly to Russian bot activity clearly going down, this guy got less Russian spam because Ukraine killed a data center. Slava Ukraini.
“… ahhh I’m sure those things are unrelated…”
Oh so liberals are doing they stole the election!! shit now, i see, voter fraud, good, very good
Just goes to show you that when an administration screws up this big that the other side can win at like 53 to like 44 in certain places.
