Jesus literally REFUSED to be dragged into ideological politics of his time (John 6:10-15)
He even defied those who tried to put him to test and force a political statement come from him against the current political leader, the Caesar, by trying to have him a forced position on taxes (Mark 12:13-17)
All this makes sense, as he himself said about himself and his followers that they are not part of this world (John 15:19)
He LITERALLY made his teaching revolve around god’s kingdom, not any human ideology (Matthew 6:9, 10)
I mean FUCK, even Satan himself offered him to be the ruler of the whole FUCKING world and he rejected it flat out (John 14:30)
He did care about people, and alleviated the physical suffering of many, but he made clear his and his followers priority should be preaching and teaching God’s word (Mark 1:32-38)
And why wouldn’t he, after all, part of his teachings are that all the world governments and ideologies are to be destroyed. (Revelation 16:14) Every. Single. one.
So anyone using his teachings to attack whoever and linking him to your ideology, calling him a representative of brand of collectivism, should get down from any high horse they think they are, it’s not doing you or them any favor and they clearly don’t know what they are talking about.
Case in point, people talking about a hell existing in the bible when there is none. That’s basically all it takes
You make Jesus sound like a socialist
You cite Revelation, but I’m fairly sure Hell is described in Revelation. Otherwise decent addition
This is a lot of mental gymnastics going on here. Reading John 6:10 and Mark 12:13 as “Jesus wouldn’t agree with Marx because Marx is of this world and Jesus is only about heaven” is a hell of a leap.
Your analysis would come off slightly less disingenuous if not for the fact that you’re a very active poster in the conservative groups and not once have you raised any objection to the religious right being neck-deep in the running of the country. Seems like “don’t co-opt Jesus to push your politics” only applies to leftists in your world.
He was absolutely not adverse to fucking some shit up when he wasn’t happy either. Not big into Forex.
Jesus was a socialist
This is a reminder there is no such thing as a “Christian” just people who pretend to be so they have an excuse to act unchristian like towards anyone they envy.
This is a reminder there is no such thing as a “Christian” just people who pretend to be so they have an excuse to act unchristian like towards anyone they envy.
I swear they need to change the name of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy to “No True Christian”
I don’t know about “true Christian”
But no sane grown up believes in the magical Christian story. My opinion is that there is no such thing as a “Christian”
No matter how much they claim to believe.
They only say it to have “righteousness” and the moral high ground when they want to abuse or kill or oppress or steal from someone who is not a “true Christian” like they claim to be.
But no sane grown up
that word is doing a LOT of heavy, heavy lifting lol
Jesus was a socialist
I was raised conservative Christian and I lost my faith in university. You’re 100% right but I sometimes feel a strong urge to “convert” back but only practice the cool parts. Like I’d one-up christians and quote Jesus’ most socialist verses at them. Maybe start a Facebook page about how the NT has been corrupted in this modern day, conspiracy-theorist style, but the hidden message is just Marxism.
I feel like somebody out there has embodied that, and I’d like to give them space to reclaim the word Christian for themself at least.
Please do this.
I like imagining Jesus as a transgender man. Like, why would god have a Y chromosome?
I do get a little spiritual enjoyment out of it - the idea of a Christ like me, that I can aspire to be like - when I’m really stoned I can almost believe it.
My father in law is a member of the communist party and was a theology professor at a prestigious university, he’s also a catholic and went to seminary (didn’t become a priest though). Point is that there are absolutely leftist Christians out there. You can lead by example.
But also keep in mind that there have been people out there spreading these words, the problem is that when they get too influential, they get disappeared or murdered
Christianity is pretty much not about Christ at all, it’s about leveraging him to confer authority over the words of certain people.
You just need to ask yourself why you feel the need to add all the extra baggage of a “god” when you can do and believe all of those things without it?
Rhetorical purposes. Religious people are more likely to listen to their god than listen to an atheist.
That is how most new branches of religion start. Instead maybe Christianity in its core is not what modern people think it is. The Bible itself is a collection and not a single written source. Think of it as a foss project that got forked early on, then a few people took parts of these forks and sample it into the versions we know today, which then also got forked with every translation.
So if you decide to do what said you should consider checking other religions such as Islam and see what you like there as well.
Oh I hate all religions you don’t wanna get me derailed
They’re all horrible.
I won’t split hairs and decide if one is worse than another.
They’re all anti human, and intolerant of logic.
“But what about my religion?”
Yeah yours too.
Science or magic.
One gives us vaccines cell phones and space ships
The other gives us anti vaccines, and a place for rapists to hide
no such thing as a “Christian”
Huh?
Another socialist Christian a little more recent than Jesus: you might remember Dr. King. Christianity deserves much more criticism and this is an absolutely correct criticism towards most people who profess to be Christians.
But speaking so absolutely usually means you’re wrong. There are plenty of Christians who actually follow Christ and are working to make the world better.
There are plenty of Christians who actually follow Christ and are working to make the world better.
Well… Maybe not plenty. Some. There really could be more.
He broke the ten commandments tho
P sure that was god through Moses, not christ
I see what you did there
If you believe in Christian magic, do I have an offer for you: a bridge for a low low cost of however much you have left after tithing
As a non religious person I take issue with comments like these, it’s as though you believe that for someone to have a faith that they must be stupid, and if that’s the case then I have a bridge to sell to you for the low low price which matches the number of brain cells you have.
My manager is religious and quite possibly one of the smartest people I’ve even met, he’s also the owner of our software consultancy and the lead engineer that has contributed massively to open source projects.
I’m not going to pretend to understand why he is religious or whether I agree but all I can say is never met someone as smart as him and he is really nice. We recently got pay rises and a reduction in hours. He spends loads of free time helping his parishioners and doing community work and just generally a nice man.
I am offended on behalf of him for your reductive view.
Yeah humans have the ability to be simultaneously dumb as rocks and smart at the same time.
Exhibit A: PhD students
In this case we are hoping enough of the stupid (brainwashed) part of the brain is exposed and willing to invest in a bridge. It’s not complex.
I am offended on behalf of him for your reductive view.
Well that’s a compelling reason to change my mind? You’re offended on behalf of someone else that you admit that you can’t understand why they’re religious ?
You’re upset with me for being reductionist on behalf of someone else’s reductionist superstition?
Wow.
Why not. Ask him? “Why do you believe in magic? Do you really believe in magic?”
Second hand offense. Wow. Hot damn. I’ve never achieved that before.
No he doesn’t believe in magic. He just believes that there has to be a creator of sorts and that doesn’t necessarily need to be a person, it could be anything that we can’t comprehend.
I don’t believe the same but it would be mighty arrogant of me to claim my believe in we ended here out of randomness is any more convincing.
I don’t believe the same but it would be mighty arrogant of me to claim my believe in we ended here out of randomness is any more convincing.
You know you can just say “I don’t know.” It’s not one or the other. How about don’t believe either until we have compelling evidence explaining the origin of life?
That said, science already has far more compelling evidence on its side than religion regarding this topic. Which, as a reminder, has all of 0 evidence supporting it.
I really don’t care what has evidence and what doesn’t. If someone is nice and not harming people I do not care if they believe the sky is green.
So… magic.
It is pretty magical that we are here.
Not all Christians follow American Christianity. But too many do.
I would have gone sideways and said “Willem Dafoe”!
“Watch me backflip onto this this market table to make space for the MAGA hats” - Jesus ‘The Donald’ Christ.
Remember that the louder the Christian the less Christian they actually are.
Broken clock moment.
Leviticus 24:16
Whoever blasphemes the name of the Lord shall surely be put to death. All the congregation shall stone him.Plenty of other nice punishments for whatever. burning at the stake, hanging, and crucifixion.
Or maybe some non-lethal whipping or wife beating.
No thanksDo you imagine that the same people wrote the stuff in Leviticus and Matthew? They were composed like 400-600 years apart
Why would I care about that?
Not a fan of the fantasy genreOooo so edgy lmao, maybe because you’re pretending to care about facts
You assume I’m extolling the virtues of Christianity when I’m just pointing out that their own religious text agrees with the comment I’m replying to.
I get the feeling you’re beating a dead horse.
Your reply might very well be that, since there is nothing in your verse contradicting his faulty statement that there are good ‘true’ christians.
Jesus Christ, there’s nothing stating there are good true Christians either. Are you this combative with everyone, or is religion just a tender spot for you?
Projection much?
I simply made a statement.
No noeed to jebus me or give me your amateur psycho-analysis.
Why do you get so triggered by it?
Religion is nothing to me, hapily atheist youth in western Europe without annoying bible thumpers.
It’s nothing more to me than a subject of ridicule.
But I’ll leave it at that since it clearly hits a nerve. Bye nowI simply made a statement.
…yeah, and I just provided a quote. Didn’t stop you from projecting your assumptions onto me below.
Your reply might very well be that, since there is nothing in your verse contradicting his faulty statement that there are good ‘true’ christians.
What is this “YOU DIDN’T DISAVOW, YOU MIGHT AS WELL SUPPORT IT” juvenile reasoning.
you can just say “my bad, I didn’t know where you were coming from and thought you were a bible thumper”
But I’ll leave it at that since it clearly hits a nerve.
Ah, the classic “I’m rubber, you’re glue” line.
Well, have a good day as well.
used to believe that. and that there was an elusive demographic of “Schroedenger’s Christians” who were true believers and didn’t want to hurt anyone. but at its core, that’s just not the point. the tolerant christians are the outliers and as of ten years ago they may as well not exist
ACAB
Can’t be a true believer in eternal damnation and suffering and “not want to hurt anyone”
Our flawed brains simply can’t truly comprehend eternity and the creator of said brains also wants to use eternity as punishment. Supporting a system that is so cruel and final is in itself an act of cruelty.
“Eternal damnation and suffering” is fan fiction (Dante’s inferno) that somehow caught on. (The “somehow” being part and parcel with the other very good criticisms of the Church.)
There is no concept of eternal damnation in the bible.
There’s a lot of things in and not in the bible, all that matters is what Christians widely believe. For a long time Christians were opposed to using forks and finance but now I bet 99.9% are perfectly fine with it.
This is why belief is poison for rational thought. I can’t explain that damnation is not in the Bible but how to perform abortion is, for there to be Christian support for abortion. No points can be made against a faith specifically evolved to feed on the desire to be the misunderstood underdog with righteous purpose.
I’m not Christian but I doubt this, most people like to keep to themselves despite their religion.
I grew up deep in their community. No they dont. They hate everyone who isn’t them and are pretty stoked they don’t have to passively tell people “I’ll pray for you” anymore. Getting back to white hoods as fast as possible was always the goal.
10 years is super generous.
The first commandment being “I am thy God and though shalt have no other gods before me” (which implies the existence of other gods quite directly) before “thou shalt not kill” is pretty indicative or the actual attitude of the religion.
“The intolerance of narrow monotheism is written in letters of blood across the history of man from the time when first the tribes of Israel burst into the land of Canaan. The worshippers of the one jealous God are egged on to aggressive wars against people of alien [beliefs and cultures]. They invoke divine sanction for the cruelties inflicted on the conquered. The spirit of old Israel is inherited by Christianity and Islam, and it might not be unreasonable to suggest that it would have been better for Western civilization if Greece had moulded it on this question rather than Palestine.”
— Sarvepalli Radhakrishnan
Any Christian now who remains silent in the face of their peers white nationalist hatred partakes in that hatred.
exactly. it’s a “if there are good cops then where the fuck are they when the bad ones kill somebody” situation.
Agreed, but I do feel like some sort of radical when I say to just read and follow Jesus’s teachings.
Well you’d be against any human ideology if you follow his teachings, so yeah. That’s pretty radical
of course not. god goes with red wine. money goes with white wine.
White “whine”
Capitalism makes us worship capital so we cannot worship God and then blames it on LGBT.
You forgot the Orange Cult, but yeah. They blame it on DEI now though. Which means “anyone not a straight, white, male American who lives Trump.” It’s a very specific demographic that includes almost everyone on Earth.
don’t care. destroy all religion for the future of humanity.
Will never happen, there’s a sucker born every day.
that’s why we have to be proactive and regulate our society.
This is one of those shadow boxing christians threads. Yeah, maybe you all look cool in the mirror but they’re going to wake up tomorrow with no idea you insulted their entire belief structure.
Don’t get me wrong. I loved it when my dad asked, “when did you stop being christian” because I vehemently am against his every belief. I loved turning the tables on him and asking the same with regards to everything trump has said and done. End of the day though he’ll just go back to his hidey hole, and myself too.
If you have religious friend you should try it. Call them on trumps shit and the when they invoke god, which they always do, ask, “who’s god” because Jesus doesn’t want this shit.
That’s not Jesus, that’s Willem Dafriend.
You know, I’m something of a saint myself
Even better
Jesus is looking friendly, but also like he could totally go crazy and flip a money lenders table. It’s hard to tell if he is dafriend or dafoe.
WWJD?
Get apprehended and sent to a gulag in El Salvador.
It’s funny you mention that because as I was reading the story of Garcia yesterday I couldn’t help but see parallels to the whole back-and-forth that happens to Jesus after His arrest. An innocent man yanked around by an unjust system.
Oh man! I want that presentation for an Easter dinner I have coming up!
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“Are not the rich the ones who oppress you, and the ones who drag you into court?” (James 2:6)
“Do not rob the poor” (Proverbs 22:22)
“The rich rules over the poor, and the borrower is the slave of the lender.” (Proverbs 22:7)
“But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation, into a snare, into many senseless and harmful desires that plunge people into ruin and destruction.” (1 Timothy 6:9)Finally, I used the “Who said it: Jesus or Marx?” image specifically to introduce Luke 6:20-26
This is awesome!
Glad you like it! I edited it to add a transcript.
Relevant quote from St. Basil:
"Who is the covetous man? One for whom plenty is not enough. Who is the defrauder? One who takes away what belongs to everyone. And are not you covetous, are you not a defrauder, when you keep for private use what you were given for distribution? When some one strips a man of his clothes we call him a thief. And one who might clothe the naked and does not—should not he be given the same name?
The bread in your hoard belongs to the hungry; the cloak in your wardrobe belongs to the naked; the shoes you let rot belong to the barefoot; the money in your vaults belongs to the destitute. All you might help and do not—to all these you are doing wrong"
"Then He will also say to those on His left, ‘Depart from Me, accursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels; for I was hungry, and you gave Me nothing to eat; I was thirsty, and you gave Me nothing to drink; I was a stranger, and you did not invite Me in; naked, and you did not clothe Me; sick, and in prison, and you did not visit Me.’
Then they themselves also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see You hungry, or thirsty, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did not take care of You?’ Then He will answer them, ‘Truly I say to you, to the extent that you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to Me.’ These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
I have always loved how simply Jesus spells it out.
As a kid, I always felt it was so implausible that the Jews would kill Jesus. Yes he claims to be God, which is a no-no, but how can a message of peace and love be so divisive? As an adult, I’ve come to realize that it’s divisive to people who are angry and filled with hate, to people who hate peace and love. The Pharisees of 30CE are the exact same as most Christians today. If you walked in to some Trump country Baptist church today and flipped over the collection plates and told everyone there they were going to hell because the want to deport immigrants instead of help them, you’d be shot for sure.
I don’t think it was the message of love that did it, more the implied message of “Jews are no longer the only people with the right to heaven and god - everyone is”
The Jewish people who saw the value/truth of this message became Christians. The ones who didn’t like the idea of not being The Chosen Folk anymore were the ones who called him a heretic
you’d be shot for sure
Do you think it’s a coincidence that MLK was only shot once he started speaking out against the rich and unifying the lower class (of all races)? I’m not saying there was a conspiracy (though I wouldn’t rule it out) or that MLK was the second coming or a prophet, but it’s pretty clear he started making the ruling class nervous once he started talking about class war.
There absolutely was a conspiracy! Never forget the FBI murdered Fred Hampton and Mark Clark. Never forget what the FBI did to the Black Panthers and the American Indian Movement.
Everyone needs to know about COINTELPRO
It’s always a good time to remind people that MLK’s family proved in civil court that the government killed MLK (either through intent or negligence) to enough of a degree that the judge was convinced and awarded them restitution on the charges. And the only reason that the case didn’t go to a criminal court was because every judge who read the case refused it.
Hell we have a copy of the letter the FBI sent to Dr. King instructing him to kill himself and save them the trouble.
Whoa, TIL about this.
Yeah, but you knew, deep down.
Mario Luigi King
I am sending this to all my neo-lib and conservative leaning friends who go to church every day while people are being imprisoned and having their lives and rights taken away.
Where I’ve come in regards to the Pharisees is that they were willing to make violent concessions for the sake of a tenuous status quo. Passover was often a flash point of rebellious activity in Jerusalem (which is why Pilate is there in the first place; to keep Jewish people suppressed and to put down any riots or revolutions from would-be messiahs). Violence was not infrequent at the time. And every time there was violence, Rome would take away more freedoms from Jews.
So the Pharisees are put in a position to see Jesus as a potential catalyst for Roman violence. So they figure that if they help hand over another would-be messiah then they can have a quiet Passover. But this mentality winds up being a sort of Leopards-eating-faces situation because Rome destroys Jerusalem a few years later anyway (due to a would-be messiah—just one that the Pharisees thought might be the real deal this time).
