That’s ok let’s get prepared to stop him 🛑 ✋🏾
That’s ok, let’s get the police prepared to arrest him 👮
This isn’t a joke it’s testing the waters.
This is always how he starts things.
yeah love how they always call it jokes. The only jokes trump involves himself with is himself and the people he brings into his circle.
He’s not testing the waters.
He’s normalizing the illegal discourse.
And if he does that. Expect people to do some nasty business in response to his dictatorship.
I really don’t have hope in Americans to do so. I hope I’m wrong.
The only hope I have left is the hope that I’m wrong.
Trump doesn’t joke
We’ve had elections during a war before and we can do it again. Ukrainian laws don’t apply to the US.
Yeah, the law pertaining to not holding elections during martial law in Ukraine was created during another person’s presidency as well. He didn’t make that. (It stemmed from Russias invasion into Ukraine in 2014, law made in 2015). Zelensky didn’t become president until 2019.
If the war was closer or even inside the US, it might be a different thing. I wouldn’t be surprised if he could still consider it though.
1864 begs to differ.
Don’t forget 1812 either.
I can’t help but feel like a civil war is a different scenario. Russia currently controls 20% of Ukraine. For the sake of simplicity, that’s 10 US states. I have a very hard time believing that if a foreign country had complete control of 10 states, and the majority of the people of those states, for all intents and purpose were unable to vote, an election would go over smoothly. I have to imagine it would be an utter shitshow.
Practically, if the US was actually occupied by a foreign force (having a puppet president doesn’t count), then the occupied areas will not be able to cast their ballots, and the states being partially occupied will have a biased result and electors will be appointed by those living in unoccupied areas. If a whole state is occupied, they probably would have electoral votes that are not cast (since they wouldn’t have a certificate of ascertainment from the now defunct state government). Election would get very ugly even if its a 51/49 split in the remaining electoral college votes since if, say, a state with 18 electors is occupied, one side could get 265 electoral votes and the other gets 255 electoral votes, so there would be a constitutional crisis on whether this counts as a majority (265/520) or not a majority (265/538).
But I’m guessing they’ll go by Civil War precedent and just exclude the occupied states from being counted so its probably 520 as the total electoral votes using that same example.
I see where you’re coming from, though I would argue that if we’re at war in '28 it won’t be because the US was invaded by a foreign power.
THE FILES
THE PHILES
Won’t change anything
It certainly will. Might not change how he acts or the support he has, but it will change the name I call MAGA or any person that would ever entertain supporting him - past, present or future.
Reality is consensus.
He is NOT JOKING. This is his plan.
You think he’s deploying the military on US soil because he gives a fuck about law and order? Guess again. He’s testing the waters now to see what he can get away with when the time comes.
Federal elections have never been cancelled or postponed in the history of the nation. Not even for the Civil War, or WWII. It’s mandated by the constitution.
Same how the 14th Amendment to the Constitution is basically invalidated as long as some states hold off on challenging his EO undoing it.
He’ll do some “Elections will happen, but only in states that are nice to me and I expect to win” EO and will basically take CA and IL out of the results, and their results won’t be certified by Congress. Because right now it’s a race to rig 2026 to save donor campaign money.
He is a dictator. There will be no more elections. America is an autocracy.
He’s telling everyone what his plan is. War incoming by Jan 2029.
I’ll be surprised if it doesn’t happen before midterms.
So glad I’m going to study abroad. Good luck drafting me.
Where you headed? I have a stepping stone path via Canada, a potential job in Germany, and am also considering the Netherlands.
lol cool so he just said the quiet part of the playbook out loud.
For those in the back: he’s gonna get the US in to a Serious Fucking War right before the next election so that he can pretend he’s got justification to call off elections.
Pay no mind to the fact that FDR won his third term at the peak of WW2.
Come to think of it: that’s probably why he wants to do it: he knows he probably can’t win another election (putting aside the illegality of running and serving for a third term), and doesn’t want to think about himself being overshadowed by “some old librul Democrat from the 1940s”. And yes, that is a completely serious guesstimate on orangeboi’s rationale for this.
Legally, it won’t matter. He doesn’t hold office until the next guy, his term ends in 2029. If there is no replacement, the office is simply vacant, and we already have processes for that.
Legally, it won’t matter. If (when) he’s ignoring the laws to that level, it doesn’t matter what anyone pretends happened with an election. The laws will have no bearing anyway.
Most importantly, the states run the elections.
So he can “cancel” the election, but only red states would listen. Blue states would still hold elections and report results. And with red states not holding elections, it’s safe to say any election would lean heavily left.
So republicans would only lose seats, and trump would get zero electoral college votes. Well, most likely every red state would still try to send electors for trump
After midterms we’ll be able to see what’s gonna happen if that plays out.
But honestly, blue states should be prioritizing building up their own NG the next three years just in case.
Or alternately-
- He cancels/delays the election due to a national emergency. He could potentially delay until the following Jan 20, arguing all the while that he’s “cancelled” the election. Shifting, contradictory public statements muddy the waters.
- Some blue states move ahead with elections anyway, arguing that the delay is unconstitutional.
- The supreme court rules that delay is constitutional with a dissenting democrat minority.
- Red states claim blue state elections are invalid and an attempted coup (because after January 6th, they love applying that word to things).
- Blue states select a president, Trump denies the results (we have a precedent for this now) and refuses to cede power to the president elect.
- As the January 20th deadline rolls around, Trump jails the new president as a traitor, following up on the claims from his base that the election was a coup.
- January deadline passes, Trump arguing simultaneously that the election was a Democrat takeover AND that the Democrats cheated because red states didn’t hold elections.
- With no (free) political opponents, Trump releases an executive order stating that the office of the presidency must be filled at all times, and remains in office.
- Multiple court cases are filed and allowed to creep through the courts before being dismissed for various reasons.
- People begin to adapt, normalize the situation, and eventually become distracted by a new scandal.
He can’t fucking die soon enough.
That’s the other hope by a lot of us.
He could keep going for another 20 years.
It’s cute that you think laws matter to the fascists.
That’s the entire gist of what I’m trying to point out here. You’re stuck on what “legality” means. I’m saying they’re changing the definition.
That’ll be before the midterms, in case anyone wasn’t clear about that.
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He truly just cannot help himself… Could be our one saving grace. That and the sheer incompetence.
“Serving” LOL as of Trump is serving anyone but himself. He’s made billions in bribes since taking power. He doesn’t serve Americans, he serves himself to whatever he wants. Mostly golf and killing people.
He isn’t joking and you shouldn’t pretend he is
We didn’t cancel elections during the Civil War.
“Missed opportunity.” - Trump, probably.
Were they cancelled during WW2
No. Elections are constitutionally required and have never been postponed. The president has no constitutional authority to postpone one.
The US constitution is toilet paper to the republicans.
Oh I can hear the scribbling for a bold new executive order that will cause all kinds of silence from the courts
Oh I can hear the scribbling for a bold new executive order that will cause all kinds of silence from the courts
Oh good thing the US has a president that totally respects the constitution then. Phew - got me worried there for a second.
Dang… he’s still alive. Maybe tomorrow.
From your lips to the ears of God 🙏
Amen
Zelenskyy’s comment about war and instability was NOT BEING THE SIDE THAT STARTED THE WAR.
IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
anyways, EPSTEIN FILES. WHERE THEY AT?
It’s not even that. It’s about what the country’s structure permits. Ukraine doesn’t allow for midwar elections, the us doesn’t allow for skipping them.
IMPORTANT DISTINCTION.
It’s really not. Lincoln held midterms in the middle of the Civil War. FDR held elections after Pearl Harbor. Ffs, Bush cleaned up the year after 9/11 and rode the pro-war election wave through 2004.
The idea that your elected leadership is immune to recall when you’re in a state of war is anathema to democracy. It insulates unpopular leaders and empowers military dictators.
There is no distinction, save that liberals like Zelensky and hate Trump.
It makes a big difference whether the war is in your own country and touches everyone, or if it’s waged elsewhere or touches only a small part of your country.
US Civil War didn’t have 500 drones flying to various cities across US each day and night. If Ukraine had elections now, there would be queues on the street and those queues would get bombed by the Russia. I don’t think this would have been a risk around the time of Pearl Harbour.
What is your suggestion for how the elections in Ukraine could be organized safely and so that the result would be reasonably representative?
US Civil War didn’t have 500 drones flying to various cities across US each day and night.
The Confederate Army got as far north as Gettysburg, Pennsylvania by 1863. The Union Army’s Anaconda Plan embargoed the entire Gulf Coast and resulted in the bombardment of cities as far south as New Orleans and Galveston. Sherman’s march wrecked a trail of destruction from Atlanta to Savanah, across 285 miles. They didn’t need remote controlled planes to bombard cities. They had troops outright razing cities to the ground month by month.
What is your suggestion for how the elections in Ukraine could be organized safely and so that the result would be reasonably representative?
Do Mail In Voting. That’s the same method we’ve been using in peacetime and wartime, around the planet, for centuries. It worked during COVID in 2020. It worked to end South African Apartheid in 1994. Mail in voting was vital to maintain democracy during mass deployments in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. And, again, in the middle of the US civil war in 1862.
But, again, this isn’t an issue of whether democracy can work. This is an issue of whether Zelensky can maintain his position as his popularity nosedives. What scares the shit out of American liberals is the idea that a popular vote in Ukraine will reveal people aren’t enthusiastic about another year or three of grinding attrition with the Russians. Ukraine can’t risk having an election that refutes the dogma of the hawks.
Of cpurse Zelensky won’t be able to hold his position if his popularity nosedives. That’s a simple answer to a simple question.
But how is that relevant? His popularity isn’t going to nosedive in that manner anytime soon.
But how is that.relevant?
Elections are the means by which we survey a burraucrat’s popularity.
Well, for that there are other ways as well. Elections are for making decisions. Popularity can be polled in easier ways as well.
But what I asked was why is it relevant that Zelensky won’t stay president very long of he somehow loses his support among the people? It’s a self-clarity, so I was interested in knowing why you chose to mention that.
Popularity can be polled in easier ways as well.
Unless you’re included in the sample group, your stance isn’t being counted. Polling is great for gauging sentiment between cycles, but if you’re not actually doing a fully election poll, you’re effectively empowering the pollsters to set the policy (implicitly or explicitly) based on their weights and biases. Frank Luntz can, pretty famously, bend his polling group into a pretzel when he puts his mind to it.
I was interested in knowing why you chose to mention that.
He’s the head of the government right now. He has the most to gain by postponing elections indefinitely.
Bush was in the middle of his term a year after 9/11, I assume you mean the Republican Party?
Bush’s party, the Republican Party, took the majority of the legislature after 2002 and greatly expanded the powers of the chief executive office that Bush held.
“yes” would have been much easier to type, just for your future convenience
I was a teenager around that time, and I remember Bush being insanely popular for awhile.
So Putin invades Alaska in 2028 to give him an excuse, got it.
Also America has never really been invaded during an election…at least not its homeland…to any significant extent. The civil war is the best example, but that wasn’t even a foreign enemy. Now if China say invaded the west coast, and cities like Portland, LA, San Diego, etc are solidly in Chinese hands wiht the Chinese moving across the rockies and the President and Congress come along and and collectively go “We think we should pause elections until things get stable”…I’d have a hard time arguing against that.
AND he fucks children
Rapes
Hey guys I hearn fücking kïbs is cööl nöw :DDDDDDDDD
GOPedo Bear
Oh no, pedo bear is back.
He was inside you all along
The real pedo bears are the friends you made along the way.
Did you know that doing shit like this is how 4chan brought nazis back? Interesting little fact. Also, Poe’s Law.
Tone indicators exist. Use them. Thanks.
Put another way, why would you ever give refuge to those who hate? To help them convince others that there are more of them out there than there actually are?
the meme and the way I used it has layers, many of them already predicated on me being an ancient and emberassing piece of trash. if I have to use tone indicators other than the ones I did, I’ll just delete it
Ya’ll think the US will ever collectively understand that they can’t keep pretending like these things are jokes or “wouldn’t actually happen”? I swear, Trump could grow a little mustache and people would be saying “oh no, I can’t believe we’re about to fall into fascism!”.
No. Literally warned people and yelled at them that we would be inviting kidnappings (ICE), abortion rights, and gay rights, civil rights… damn there is so much that has already has happened. He can do no wrong to his base and the Supreme Court here and congress has pretty much given him free rein. The cognitive dissonance is astounding.
I guess if they keep pretending it’s only ever “just getting started” they can pretend as if their inaction was warranted.
Yeah pretty much “we have to wait and see” is what is frequently parroted after everything I have said to try to get these people to see the massive error that is going kill them and the rest of us with them.
Honestly the Trump/ Epstein thing is the closest I’ve seen them wake up too this time (since we’re shown the evidence when it first blew) , but this time it doesn’t seem to be sliding down as easily, but I’m almost positive Trump will find a distraction e.g. such as war…
They fucking told us. “He’s not hurting the people he needs to be hurting”. They don’t care if they go down with the ship as long as brown people do as well
I think cruelty is what they want. Our society is built on cruelty, genocide and disenfranchisement. The progress we made was the fluke. I hope we will learn but I see people all around who are cheering all of this on.
I would say this is impeachable if they already didn’t make such a joke out of the punishment.
