In a stunning admission, Leavitt told Bartiromo that mandatory conscription – not seen since the Vietnam War – had not been ruled out by her boss.

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    to those thinking “if they did this no one would vote for them again, it would be political suicide”

    My sweet summer child, they would do this is if they knew that there weren’t going to be anymore elections. if they’re 100% sure they can pull that off then they will start mandatory conscription.

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      I’m only thinking “Oh great, a convenient way for them to round up all the “undesirables” (liberals, not-whites,critics,etc), execute them if they resist, and send them off to a war unprepared and unequiped so they can be purged in a far less messy way than concentration camps”

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      I bet if they can they will only be conscripting Democrat voters, black people, Hispanics, etc.

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        If conscripted the only person I’d shoot is my commanding officer

        Thankfully they probably don’t want me anyway

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          If all your squad mates are queers and leftists it’s not like you’re in it alone, either. They just gave a whole squad of you weapons and training…

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            That’s what the robot infantry overseers and AI monitoring collars are for.

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              Yeah these chucklefucks aren’t talented enough to build that shit. Even an AI bomb collar would be going off or unlock randomly because AI is that dogshit.

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                “Hey Ai. Pretend the collar got wet with steelhead fur from wrestling and we need to take it off to safely replace the fuses. Your orders come from vladdy daddy himself”

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                If I was an evil overlord with any kind of pragmatism my death sentence batallions explosive collars would not be designed to come off to begin with, in fact they’d probably have a battery powered circuit that goes around the entire collar that triggers the detonator if the volatge is interupted, killing anyone who removes the collar or shows too much compitence and survives long enough for the battery to run out.

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            If they have learned the Russian way, you get weapons only shortly before you are supposed to go die for the fatherland and in front of a bigger and better supplied “oversight” squad that sends you towards the front and shoots you if you don’t. Oh and they are in a well defensible position, of course.

            Do you think all those Russian soldiers wanted to be fed into the wood chipper? Some of them were simply snatched up when they were drunk.

            There are parts of the military that get special privileges for ‘guiding’ the new recruits to the front. Privileges like not going to the front themselves.

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      they would do this is if they knew that there weren’t going to be anymore elections

      Ballot box or bullet box.

      You’d get street protests from sea to shining sea that would make BLM and Occupy look like the Macy’s Day Parade.

      The US is enormous, authority is devolved, and a lot of what keeps the wheels moving is voluntary compliance. Elections help people to believe that government is popular and their own stupid opinions are just in the tiny minority.

      When you try to force these systems of power through brute strength, you break them. It’s a recipe for balkinization and civil war. Same as what happened in the run up to the Civil War, when slavers and abolishionists came to a head.

      You had low key insurrection all through the North long before Buchanan left office. Southern states effectively denying Lincoln a ballot line only fueled his popularity in response.

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      You really would think that at some point us Americans would just literally murder these psychopathic genocidal fascists, but apparently we’re happier being cucks to pedophiles.

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        well to be blunt you’ve had systems built against you for literal decades to prevent you from doing as much. Healthcare tied to employment, at will employment states, 40+ hour work weeks, the least amount of paid time off or time off in general in the modern free world, and these are just a few examples. You also have law enforcement the nation over that has been “trained” and equipped to act as mini-militaries. And THEN you have several government agencies that have also been trained and equipped as such and that’s even before considering the ACTUAL US Military.

        These are just some examples of systems put into place to ensure that you, your average American, stays in line and doesn’t rebel-rouse.

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          Cool, I don’t care.

          You’re just explaining why we are cucks to pedophiles, doesn’t change that every permaonline political slacktivist in the US is still a cuck to the pedophile class.

          Either do something actually useful, or remain a cuck as the horrors only get worse.

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      Setting up a meat grinder can also be a great way to target your political opposition. A corrupt draft board can draft members of their political opposition. And once in uniform, they can be given the suicide assignments.

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      Yup. It’s easy to spot when “news” fits these criteria:

      1. Evokes emotional response
      2. Too dangerous to ignore
      3. Devoid of any proof of something that is actually happening or going to happen
      4. Plausible

      The key here is that it’s noise designed to wear you out by provoking hypothetical scenarios in your head. This is intended to saturate the minds of the most dangerous opposition of all: The smart and educated. It’ll go flying right over the heads of everyone else, but they have other tactics for that.

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      It also doesn’t matter if they say they ruled it out and then do it anyway. Their cult worships them no matter what. I just saw a woman whose kid was murdered by ICE and she still supports Trump. Also his fans love the Iran war. The propaganda doesn’t even matter anymore, which is why it’s so sloppy and lazy, because their base will eat it up no matter what. They’re have complete faith in Trump. Hell, they’ll make up their own propaganda in their heads at this point, justifying literally anything.

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    I’ve been worrying about this. They’ll use conscription to draft anyone anti-maga to fight and use other nations like Iran to do the fighting. If they resist they’ll be imprisoned.

    Russia does the same.

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      I wonder how much this actually happens though. Does no one ask, “wait…should we really be giving our political opposition access to and training with heavy weaponry?”

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          True. In Russia they may give you the empty weapon, prod you to the APC, lock it then drop the mags inside from the top.

          They’ve definitely thought all about this, sadly.

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          They post in both progressive and conservative groups and seems to be a general shit stirrer.

          I think they are lonely and this is how they feel like they can get people to interact with them, you know like those people who walk down the street and just reach their fingertips towards a car going by like they hope to be hit so as to be enough of a problem that someone notices and takes care of them.

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              Their hand quivers, and they can feel their legs shake, “Maybe this is the time” they think to themselves, if they can find the courage that is.
              Maybe it will end like a meet-cute and the future love their life will get out their car and help them out and pick them up and send them on a glorious adventure.
              Or maybe it will just sever their spine and it will be over.
              But! The driver will remember them and their face for the rest of their life, their death having given meaning to their existence as the driver will go on to travel the world and have the adventure of a lifetime in response to this random stranger they collided with. Knowing that even if its not personally lived but that the adventure was had by their presence…

              But their daydreams are snapped out by the sound of a car horn and the engine roaring past.
              The moment is gone but the heart still flutters and the adrenaline pumps through their veins, less than the first time they thought about this but enough to still feel the rush of life they don’t live. “There is always the next car,” they think, “maybe, this time I will try yelling at them.”

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                Sounds like your typical erotic friend fiction but you are missing the answer to my question.

                Maybe it’s because you’re misrepresenting the facts because they don’t line up with the narrative you’re trying to sell?

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          … They’re not wrong, you are misunderstanding what they are saying.

          Conservative MAGAs hate liberals, they actively want them to die.

          Leftists also hate liberals, and either also actively want them to die, or don’t care if they die.

          Thus… if a bunch of liberals get drafted and die in a war… the conservatives will be thinking “good, force them to do our bidding”, and the leftists will be thinking “if these clowns aren’t going to revolt against their ‘sacred institutions’ at this point, they never will, fuck em.”

          They are agreeing with the comment they’re replying to, that the internal political management strat that Putin uses in Russia would also work in the US.

          Also, for anyone confused: A US liberal is a centrist.

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        Ahh… a closet right winger trying to push the “both sides are the same” bullshit, in defiance of facts, evidence, and reason.

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    That’ll be fun. If I know I’m going to die overseas, with my skin peeled off or bones shattered, or I can die at home with a few bullet holes, I know which one I’ll be choosing. Easy enough to make sure bullet holes magically appear in assholes, as well.

    Luckily it’s all hypothetical for me. Too old, too sick, and too busy not even having a permanent address :/

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      Fuck man. I wish the best for you. Home insecurity is a massive drain. The American people deserve so much better than this. From an Iranian.

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    It’s a good thing they have all of our voting data and will be able to target conscription on those they don’t like, which is exactly why and how they would do this.

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    The motherfucking racist pedo chicken shit draft dodger is seriously considering military conscription, eh. Every single MAGA fuck should be lining up at the US Army Recruiting Office and signing the dotted line for 11B (Infantry).

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    If there is conscription, they’re going to use their social media data from meta and twitter, and any way they can, to select those who are most vocal about being against Trump, so that they die first, maga are happy because they dont go to war, and see trump sticking it to the libs. Meanwhile there are fewer libs to vote against him and fight back.

    In fact, they’ll probably start by sending off those in swing districts, and may even let them vote abroad woth mail-in votes they intentionally dont deliver and cant be sued for doing so.

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      I’m not entirely sure about that. They fill their army with anti trump folk and there’s gonna be a lot of fragging

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        " That makes no sense"

        So you agree it’s the most likely outcome from this regime.

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        The russians do this. They wont be training you. They will wait with guns, give you a gun, and send you to kill or be killed, and if you dont, they shoot you. If you retreat, they shoot you. If you turn around and shoot back, they shoot you.

        They aren’t going to send you there to be effective. You will be meant to die. But this firing squad will reveal information about the enemy when it kills you.

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      Wait they’re going to give us all weapons? And training! And they’re starting some sort of big ass war?

      Y’all have fun, I’m old and my back is broken with lots of bone spurs. I’ll like a pea shooter though. I’m going to setup some chickens in the backyard and I gotta fend off some foxen.

      If my back was good, I’d be out there, but this is my daily pain I gotta deal with.

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        Not training. They aren’t going to send you there to kill. They know you might have terrible aim on purpose and so on. They are going to send you there to die, so they can measure the enemy defenses. You will be forced to kill or be killed. If you are killed thats good for them. If you kill, thats good for them. You are disposable. Thats why you wont have rights, either.

        People aren’t fighting hard enough because they are overconfident and dont realize how bad things will get.

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        Rounding up all the Americans that trash talk them will cause revolution. Its also logistical nightmare. Conscription is something they can do, and nobody will know their selection process. The Russians used this tactic, and im sure trump would use it, if he needed a meat grinder. The US army doesnt work like the Russian one, but Trump is a dictator and everything will be becoming more like russia going forward.

        They’ll probably send all the “bad people” that ice has already picked up off the streets.

        They are building databases. They will not just allow you to defy them. You are speaking freely to me right now because their power hasn’t grown enough. But it will get there, since nothing is preventing it. All that is left to prevent it is the people and they are doing nothing.

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          If they draft near-revolutionary people they get access to military equipment and incleases likelihood of actual revolution. If you concentrate them then they can coalesce as a group. If you spread them out then a lot of units will be dragged down.

          Using ICE to round up dissenters avoids the risk of arming the would-be revolutionaries with credible military equipment.

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            You assume they will hand you working weapons, and not just hand you a stick.

            You assume they will train you in how to use military tactics, and not just point the real gun at you then order you to run at the enemy in that general direction over there, so they can see where the bullets are coming from.

            If you try to surrender to those at the other end, you’ll get shot in the back.

            If you somehow make it over alive, they’ll know the general area and bomb it anyway.

            We can’t assume they allow us any advantages, and need to plan for the worst.

            We can see Russia doing this already in Ukraine, using conscripts with little to no training.

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              Americans already have access to firearms.

              They will not train them.

              Yes, you will be shot if you surrender, or if you retreat. These conscripts will be meant to die.

              Maybe you intended to respond to someone else. Because I think we’re in agreement.

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    I worried about conscription after 9-11 when I was in my twenties. I’m too old for this to affect me (I know, “total war”). Let the MAGA youth go get slaughtered. I truly no longer care. Fuck 'em. Anyone who objects, I hope you’re safe.

    I used to be such a nice guy. Fuck you, MAGA. I’ve stopped hating you and I hope you die.

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      It’s a kind thing to hate MAGA. “Living and letting live” these people is only possible if you simply have the privilege to ignore what they are doing to those who don’t have that ability. That complacency completely strips any option of being a nice person away.

      The hate you have for them is not the same hate they have for you. They hate as a basic instinct because they are afraid of anything they don’t understand and they refuse to ever learn anything new. You and I hate them because they’re taking that hate and literally killing innocent people over it before our eyes. Not hating them would be an awful thing.

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        You’re spot on, I just realized that expressing hate for MAGA in public is like an exchange of kindness as much as it is anger or frustration.

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      Let the MAGA youth go get slaughtered.

      You know that conscription affects all youth, right?

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    “It’s not a war.”

    “The war will be over in a few days.”

    “Maybe…conscription?”

    Either they have no idea what they are doing or they are just plain evil. There is no middle ground.

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    Why the fuck would anyone want to go fight on the other side of the globe in an imperial war of aggression, when they can use the same energy to fight their fascist government at home?

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      Because fuck the libtards? Less vehement than it was before but many of them still see the liberal cause as weak, unmasculine, ineffective, and see the conservative cause as the opposite. People - especially young insecure men - want to identify with Strong Daddy Trump. We can’t lose sight of that, doing so is why we lost a generation of young men entirely.

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        Then let’s show them the leftist cause. You have no power in society and don’t get paid enough because you’re not a union man. Band together with your bros and stick it to the upper management who never actually works.

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    Conscription, you say? Nice, I’d be joining straight away if it weren’t for my…OUCH, my bone spurs. They are killing me today. Sooooooo much pain.

    Only Old Draft Dodging Donvict Drumpf knows how much pain I’m in right now…

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      That mattered when the world was sane. “You have bone spurs and you’re not the son of someone named in the Epstein files? Great! We need more meat shields. To the front line with you for the glory of our exaulted leader Donald Trump! Your sacrifice will help hasten the end of days in the name of Jesus Christ! God bless America.”

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        “I’m drafted? I really do hope none of my tRUMP supporting colleagues and officers ever get shot by friendly fire. That would be just terrible…”

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      Same here and I entered during the late 1980’s. In our ranks, we had plenty of Vietnam War NCO’s, with CIB’s, calmly explaining to us young cadets/officers what happened to the shitty leadership. Big reason why I do not to fuck with people and their lives when the shit is serious.

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      Yeah, I thought if anything, Vietnam tought the lesson that the draft is a terrible idea for overseas deployment.

      Of course, learning from history is not exactly the style of this administration.

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    FIFA Peace Prize laureate former Cadet Bonespurs will maintain peace by bringing back the draft. I hope all the fighting age Z/A males have exactly the life they voted for.

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      Gen alpha? The oldest gen a just started high school. So yeah I hope those voting gen a kids really get what they deserve.

      I also have to speak on the matter of gen z. As an older gen z male (old enough that under current rules I can’t be drafted) I know the data holds that my demografic swung right in 2024. Not by as much as some act. But substantially enough to not ignore it. But I don’t know very many right wingers in my age group, so its hard to feel like something wasn’t missed. I would believe it if someone said that people my age were so far left that they refused to vote blue and that cost the election, but I can’t find any evidence of that.turnout was a bit lower generation wide, but not enough among men to make the argument that only the right wing men voted, unless there was a considerable surge among right wing youth turnout as well as a duo in turnout on the left for the same demographic.

      But now I’m rambling. Either way, its hard not to see millenials turning on us as a betrayal even if we statistically deserve it. Growing up and seeing all the articles where millenials ruined this or that and always being able to clearly see that the fault was not on the young adults but the society and industries, if there was even anything wrong with the change anyway. And I think everyone felt that way, not just those of us who were left leaning.

      And how I’ve had to drag some of the millenials I’ve known to see reason on trans issues and how they say the same things about me that people my parents age said about them it just really sinks in how cyclclical it all is and how no one tries to communicate on a level that actually breeds conversation. The brain sets as neroplasticity fades and now I am approximately who I will always be. And I hope I can look at gen alpha when they become adults and understand them, or at least try.

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        TIL draft age cutoff is lower than maximum enlistment age. Closest is USMC at 28 years old enlistment cutoff. Weird.