I don’t really care about Star Wars
I don’t want big name celebrities doing voice over for animated movies. Give me actual VAs
Is Mark Hamill an exception? Or is he a voice actor that happens to have done some face acting as well?
Mark is a voice actor that has done some on screen work. I don’t care much about star wars and his joker and trickster is peak. Note though him in the long walk was epic.
You’ll probably get a kick out of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EL-VHe_4GmE
he was a face actor until that
car accidentwampa fucked it up.Yeah, but the wampa never acted again, so I think justice was done. Their career is over.
based on his voice work as Skips from Regular Show, most definitely he’s actually got the chops for it.
I genuinely do not want to see famous actors in any media, at all. I don’t want to recognize anyone in a movie.
My son is big cinephile, and he complains about how contemporary movies are all filled with people who look like nepo-baby actors. He says they all have iPhone face: no matter what time period they’re supposed to be in, they all look like they’ve seen an iPhone.
He longs for the old days when older unattractive actors were in demand as character actors.
I always find the first moments of movies with famous actors disconcerting. Why is Jack from Titanic here? Oh, he is not Jack from Titanic, just has his body-suit…
The Bear had an episode with a family reunion where everyone was a famous actor, so you have some familiarity with them, but they were so characterized, it wasn’t off-putting.
I do agree though those actors that are always the same persona (e.g. The Rock), do throw me away from what I’m watching.
Which is why I can’t stand Will Smith movies. Or Vin Diesel. Or any of the other dozen actors who don’t actually go out of their way and act.
‘Black Mirror’ was great because I don’t know anyone in it.
The Disney-churn Marvell/Star Wars slop has ruined the film industry. No one is willing to risk a thing on original IP when remakes/reboots/continuations are taking in the bank.
We will never see another Stranger Than Fiction, or Dead Poets Society or, Eternal Sunshine while the low hanging fruit is such a hot commodity. And it will never not be a hot commodity.
We will never see another Stranger Than Fiction, or Dead Poets Society or, Eternal Sunshine
Original movies like that are still being made, much much more than ever before.
Just not in Hollywood. And you won’t get a trailer for those movies fed to you by Youtube’s algorithm, you have to look for them yourself.
My recent favorites were Flow and The Outrun (both from 2024).
Edit: Using this comment to plug one of my favorite original movies of all time:
The Guard (2011)
(The first 2 minutes set the tone of the movie well)Yeah people will only consume content that had been marketed to them then turn around and complain that no original stuff is being made :'(
It’s funny cause I’m old enough to remember the exact same thing being said during times that are now considered a golden age.
So really we should vote with our wallets and agree to not watch cinema pollution like that then
Waaaay ahead of you. It’s too bad way too many people still watch that shit enough to justify it.
Sadly, I think that slop flicks will remain popular the same way and for the same reasons McDonald’s is.
I agree with your point about established ip being safe and attractive to executives.
I disagree with your point about “never see another eternal sunshine” type movie. Everything everywhere all at once. The substance. Sinners. There are gems.
This was a problem before Marvel or the Star Wars reboots. Execs will always go for what seems safer and an established IP with a fanbase is safer than something brand new. A tale as old as time.
Also cinema is so old that nothing new happens. The same problem occurred in the 30s, 50s, etc… each time needing a “new wave” to break the execs out of their trance.
And they’re right. People are more willing to pay for things they’re familiar with. People keep blaming movie studios for doing what People clearly want.
The same thing happened in the 50s with big budget epic movies trying to appeal to everyone, I think Cleopatra was at the tail end of it.
Who controls which movies make money? The audience does.
Who controls which movies are produced?
They choose based on what will make money. People keep complaining that they have the nerve to produce what people will most likely pay to see. If the majority of the audience really didn’t want franchises, they’d stop paying to see them
You’re proving my point without an effort. Thank you.
Having The Rock in your movie makes it worse.
Given his script caveats to get him to star, you’re right.
I’ve only liked maybe two Rock movies and he still had hair in both of them.
I think you’re reversing causality. Movies that were bound to be bad cast The Rock. We need to experiment by casting The Rock in a Paul Thomas Anderson.
casting The Rock in a Paul Thomas Anderson
It’s complicated.
I actually like sitting in the first few rows.
Damn. Didn’t think I’d find a psychopath in a comment thread about movies but there you go!
First actual hot take I’ve seen in this post so far
Thus we can only assume that you are a giraffe or an okapi.
there is another option
I’ll just sit in the back and give you some space
I actually saw a family arguing about this today. The mother was like “we can sit anywhere, don’t you wanna sit down here in the front” and the daughter was like “no, I don’t want to crane my neck”. I was mildly annoyed because there was assigned seating and therefore the mother was encouraging rule breaking, but I minded my own business and didn’t say anything
Marvel / DC super hero movies are boring besides some of the jokes. Every main character is basically invincible, fights are pointless.
Except for those who died, I guess?
Scnr 😁
But Actually, that’s what I found to be a good thing: letting characters leave, finishing their story. Captain America, scarlet witch.
My hot take is I still watch the series of movies in hope for good stuff but most has passed.
One guy wrote a very true thing: when was the last time superheroes actually saved someone like they originally did.
Superman did, but it’s fair criticism for marvel.
I also agree, some of these movies get so fucking epic that I just don’t care. I miss the human drama that takes place in a lower scale.
Not that infinity war wasn’t fun, mind. But now it’s not even enough to just fight for the world, but we have to fight for the multiverse!
I’m sure Doomsday will be good because the Russo brothers have made all of the best marvel movies, but it feels a bit “y’all haven’t liked shit since we killed everyone off, so here they are again.”
But post-infinity war I’ve basically only enjoyed the TV shows. Thunderbirds was pretty good. FF was… fine? Compared to previous FF movies, it was great. But it didn’t land for a lot of people.
But Hawkeye was good. I really enjoyed Ms. Marvel. Echo was a decent spinoff. Looking forward to new installments of the Defenders characters now that the marvel Netflix people are largely back. Shit, I’ll even be interested to see if they can make the Finn Jones Iron Fist work this time. But Colleen Wing was the best part of that show and I hear she isn’t coming back. And the Falcon and the Winter Soldier was so much better than the Captain America movie.
Anyway the TV shows all have a limited scale and it gave them so much more heart.
You’re right about the latest superman. I really liked the movie and him, although mostly the dc stuff was taking itself waaay to seriously for me in the past. (personal preference)
Justice Gang. I need a Justice Gang movie. Guy and Mr. Terrific were SO well executed.
Even if they do decide to go dark and gritty and kill off a few main characters, they went so deep down the multiverse rabbit hole that it doesn’t seem possible for anything they write to have consequences ever again
Regular actors should stick to regular acting and leave voice acting to voice actors.
Is this a hot take?
Chris Pratt as Mario was when a lot of people went “wtf why?”
A lot of people wouldn’t even know about it if Chris Pratt wasn’t in it
I think you highly underestimate the cultural catchet of Mario.
Too much of a hot take for the hot take post?
I wouldn’t call it a hot take, just kind of a silly one, akin to saying the Nike logo isn’t that recognizable.
I was talking to someone about that movie, and I brought up Chris Pratt. They didn’t know who he voiced in the movie.
A lot of people would not have known about Mario? 🤨
Oh man, the idea that you consider the worst Chris to be a bigger draw than Mario. Wow
I think it’s more about drawing other audiences. Kids and gamers will absolutely watch Mario. If you cast Pratt, you could probably pull marvel fans as well. Using the og Mario voice actor may miss out on those sales
Again he’s the worst Chris. He’s not a draw for anybody. Great actors can be draws. That ain’t him.
Okay, just as a caveat I know we should let this go and it doesn’t really matter and it’s obviously all subjective. However I’m just deathly curious, do you consider Chris Pratt a great actor? Cuz I’ve never heard anyone say that and I’d be fascinated to find otherwise.
I like special effects in very cheap or very old movies: it gives me that “wow, how did they manage to do that in 1925?” feeling. I like that feeling. Modern quality effects I just ignore. Some very detailed explosion in the space? Ok, something exploded. I noted that plot point.
As much as I have issues with 2001 space odyssey, it is a technical marvel for its time.
Same. I still appreciate modern effects tho but those old movies really impress me. Have you seen The Johnstown Flood? That one kinda blew my mind
I can still find modern special effects interesting enough if I find them aesthetically interesting – as though a lot of thought clearly went into them. I understand there were minimal hurdles to translating that vision to film, but it’s the vision itself I appreciate.
I also definitely get the same feeling you do watching older films and especially stage plays, where the constraints of the medium make it even more impressive.
How do you feel about something like Fury Road, where they make a point of including practical effects?
Were there any effects? I thought they just filmed some documentary in Texas or something…
Texas has changed a bit since I was there last…
Precisely.
Part of the awe of watching movies (The so-called movie magic) is that at the same time as you’re in awe of the film, there’s a part of you in awe of how much collaborative work it took to create that stunt/effect/miniature, etc…
There’s no magic anymore when one can just do the same thing in Blender at home if they had enough time to learn.
Same. I watched Citizen Kane for the first time a year or two ago, and some of the shots blew my mind. Like how the fuck did he do some of that shit?
‘Man With a Movie Camera’ is great for this.
Watching a movie at home on my 120" projector with 5.1 and comfy chairs with my wife and the furkids is a far better experience than I’ve probably ever had at a cinema - partly because I can control the sound level, it’s just too loud at the cinema.
National Movie theaters are now trying to show UFC and sports games. I support it. Because there’s a lot of abandoned movie theaters and I would rather them fill seats with anything, than become the dying empty malls.
Also, I don’t go to national movie theaters. My local neighborhood theater charges $5 for movies and $3 for pizza and popcorn.
In a cinema I used to go to, they used to show the Met’s operas during the Sunday matinee. Absolutely lovely!
Thats sick, I’d love to watch ufc at a theatre.
The theatre experience fucking sucks.
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You’re beholden to their schedule
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It’s fucking expensive
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It’s quite often filthy
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Some motherfuckers talk or use their phone and ruin your experience
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Other motherfuckers bring babies or small children to more adult films and do not take them out if they start crying
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Kids make fun of me when I go see cartoons
Kids make fun of me when I go see cartoons
ULPT: That’s when you guilt-trip them:
“This was the last thing I watched together with my 8 year old son/daughter before he/she died from cancer” starts crying (it doesn’t have to be true, just dramatic enough to shut them the hell up and to make them mind their own bussiness)
- Some motherfuckers talk or use their phone and ruin your experience
- Other motherfuckers bring babies or small children to more adult films and do not take them out if they start crying
And staff don’t do anything about it
Hard disagree it’s very much you white fuckers (said with love because I’m white) need to embrace the social experience of a movie.
Horror is peak in theaters.
Drag me to hell was the best experience I ever had. Everyone was talking and yelling in the theater. It was rowdy. I was drunk with my friends. It was an 11/10 experience.
Second was Smile post pandemic the theater was packed it was loud and boisterous.
Serious white people get the stick out your ass and enjoy life
Participation with the movie like at a Rocky Horror Picture Show screening is great.
Some dude talking loudly about some bullshit that has nothing to do with the movie is something else altogether and not enjoyable.
Someone shouting “DON’T GO THAT WAY, THE KILLER IS THERE!” in a horror movie would be funny af.
Counterpoint: I ruined The Ring for everyone when that bitch came out the TV and I busted out laughing
Another thing that’s bad about theaters is you can’t pause the movie. If you desperately need a bathroom break, you miss part of the movie
Kinda makes me wonder how often the people that clean up after each screening have to deal with bottles of piss. 🤔
Forgot ADs.
I could put up with a lot, but ADs for 30 minutes is too much, and I am too lazy to try and get there after them.
For me it’s the apostrophes
Ok fixed.
And, always, some dirty motherfucker has thrown a drink on the screen staining the screen
Real smoking hot take here.
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I cannot stand The Godfather. Any mafia shit, really. I hate the whole family hierarchy thing, I hate the guise of freedom when it’s just an organization reminiscent of cops or the military, and I hate the blind loyalty to a system that only serves one person or family, it’s all just so petty and capitalistic, the mafia is fucking stupid.
You’re not supposed to like the Mafia in these movies.
Yeah thats what you were supposed to take away from that movie, the creator of it isn’t trying to glorify that life but show you how pathetic it is. But idiots watch it and take the wrong message
As is the typical pattern.
“So you see, the lesson is that Gatsby’s pursuit of wealth only kept him further from-“
“Dude, that guy’s parties were AWESOME! He had like a freaking circus there and all! What minority group do I have to brutalize to be like him??”
This is like saying that you hate ‘Apocalypse Now’ and ‘Full Metal Jacket’ because you hate army.
You say that like I’m obligated to appreciate the film just because it claims to be critical of the mafia and if I don’t like it then I just didn’t get it. That’s not the case, I get it. I don’t like those films either, and yes, it’s because they’re army movies. Regardless of being critical of the subject material, you cannot make a movie entirely about the mafia (let alone, three of them), or the army, or anything, without romanticizing the subject matter. Do you have any idea how many people saw The Godfather and fell in love with the idea of the mafia, or Full Metal Jacket and Apocalypse Now and fell in love with the idea of being in the military, or SLC Punk and fell in love with the idea of being a poser? All those people fucking loved those movies. Some people missing the point doesn’t mean that everyone who gets the point is obliged to think a movie is good. The Godfather fucking sucks, because it’s about stupid people doing stupid things and sucking their own dicks about it.
One beautiful thing about art - and, for me, especially movies - is that they reveal truths within ourselves.
The first time I saw Fight Club, the “true” meaning went WAY over my head. I was young, I just saw a cool action flick with a twist ending. To me, the message was Fuck the System. I grew up, though. I can now clearly see the deeper themes, like warning about toxic masculinity and groupthink.
Similarly, Starship Troopers was a favorite of mine. I never understood the parallels to fascism when I was younger - I just rooted for Johnny and the gang.
The Godfather and Apocalypse Now fall squarely into that same set of movies. These are all movies that I enjoyed when I was young, but the themes were just beyond me. And that’s OK. My point is that you are definitely NOT obligated to appreciate these films. But maybe you can understand why these films are studied and rewatched and discussed. At least part of the reason is because someone who saw a film 5 or 10 or 30 years ago is only just now starting to understand it.
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Sounds like you want films to be only about sunshine and daisies.
you cannot make a movie entirely about the mafia (let alone, three of them), or the army, or anything, without romanticizing the subject matter.
Way too bold a claim.
Sounds like you don’t understand different tastes and perspectives. I never said that that is inherently a bad thing, I just hate movies focused on military and authoritarian conformity and hierarchy as their main appeal, which is what the mafia is. As I said, I think the mafia is fucking stupid, I’m not asking for movies to be sunshine, I’m saying I don’t give a fuck about stupid mafia bullshit and glorified tales of such. Same goes for hoorah military shit. I’m not even saying it shouldn’t have been made, I just don’t like it, that was the point of this whole post. You can like the movie regardless of how stupid I think it is, art is subjective.
And creating a movie is a glorification of its materials, no matter the intent behind the creator. Just look at Fight Club, SLC Punk, Wall Street, The Punisher, Lolita, Full Metal Jacket, The Joker, etc… That’s not negotiable.
Ah, so ‘District 9’ glorifies refugee camps, ‘Black Mirror’ glorifies techno-authoritarianism, ‘Life Is Beautiful’ glorifies Nazi concentration camps, ‘Idiocracy’ glorifies abject stupidity, ‘One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest’ glorifies abusive psychiatric hospitals, ‘Soylent Green’ glorifies overpopulation?
Your take was bizarre before, but with that comment it’s plain idiotic.
You’re intentionally misinterpreting what I’m saying, and it shows. You know what I’m getting at, I’m not playing in to this purposely obtuse bullshitery. I don’t like The Godfather and have valid criticisms of the films, get the fuck over it.
Also, you didn’t understand those movies and shows at all if you think those were the themes and subjects they were focusing on and exploring. Learn how to examine and interpret a story, you’re only seeing the metaphors, maybe watch some stuff on media literacy and film studies.
This is laughable coming from a guy who wrote “creating a movie is a glorification of its materials, no matter the intent behind the creator. That’s not negotiable.” Learn to take your head out of your ass before talking shit.
That’s why the sopranos is pretty good. They are just pathetic overweight old guys who have no connection to italy, but try really hard to pretend they have.
Even better is that a certain kind of group still think they are bad ass, because they kinda fail to see the point.
Lookie here boys, we gots ourselves a tough guy. Hey, Rico, why don’t you show our friend what happens to tough guys round here. Maybe a little swim with the fishies will show him we ain’t so bad after all.
I agree that the system sucks and that, IRL, they’re bad people and harmful to society. Still a good movie though.
I lost focus on the second movie, but the first one was decent
It insists upon itself.
“COZ IT HAS A VALID POINT TO MAKE, IT’S INSISTENT!”
The amount of computer generated special effects used in a movie directly correlates with the likelihood of me not liking it.
Superhero movies for example are completely unwatchable because of this.
It’s a bit more complicated than that, just recently stumbled across this guy who looks deeper into it - https://youtu.be/tvwPKBXEOKE.
CGI is a big part but the (lack of) cinematography plays a much bigger part than i would have thought.
More theaters need a rotation of classics. There’s a whole subset of movies I’d love to see in theaters again and having to wait for some small theater half an hour away to show one of those for one weekend a year is a bummer.
We have a local theater here that basically only runs classics, it’s pretty great.
This is why I love my local theater, comparatively cheap tickets and the best prints for old classics running all the time.
Sometimes they also bring in the director, or someone else that was involved in the production to talk about the movie. Those are really fun.
Sorry, chief. Best we can do is a lousy remake instead. That’s because the licensing rights for oldies are too hard to figure out so we can’t be bothered, and all creativity in Hollywood died in 1999.
Nuh-uh. What about the matrix?
Shit. You’re right.
Yeah. I’ve had people fight me tooth and nail repeatedly that the Matrix was a “2000s movie.” I think this is another one of those Berenstain Bears things.
(Most likely people watched it on DVD in the year 2000, since for a while there The Matrix was the movie that sold DVD players.)
Its funny because when I was young bargain theaters would play old stuff they could get cheap regularly. I think its tougher now that people can see something whenever they like.
Fandoms ruin movie franchises worse than any bad directing or writing ever could.
I avoid fandoms of franchises I enjoy because they end up sucking the life out of everything. When things don’t go exactly as fans expected or want, people turn to the internet to rage at things we once loved. Many of these “dogshit” movies are entertaining and fine as they are. But we’ve become so obsessed with our own expectations of what story a movie is supposed to be or say, that we have stopped allowing others to tell their own stories and show their own visions. It’s just all about ragging on whatever all the time.
This includes: Star Wars, Star Trek, Marvel, DC, everything in the Tolkien universe, etc. All perfectly fine franchises that just aren’t for everyone and I think that’s ok.
Exception: The last 2 Ghostbusters movies, those movies forgot what the GB are supposed to be about; adult, raunchy, horror comedy.
The more I like a movie or franchise, the less likely I am to read what others are saying about it because I don’t want to hear the negativity
I am the same way, even if it’s a show I don’t like, I’ll avoid fandoms because they make it worse.
The only one that I have not noticed get bad is for The Expanse, but I don’t delve too much into it, so maybe I just don’t see it. I’m just obsessed with the books and tv show.
But adult, raunchy, horror comedy does not sell tickets to kids /s
Not a movie but Rick and Morty fans are like this for me. I like it but the fans are awful
I never got into Rick & Morty, but I also didn’t hear about it until it was popular and the fan base had already turned me off of it. “Fans” really can ruin great things.
Hideaki Anno reportedly dealt hilariously with this: when fans started complaining that the ‘Neon Genesis Evangelion’ was getting weird, he doubled down on the confusion. Well NGE is now a modern classic worldwide.
That’s the right way to fucking do it! Embrace the weird!
