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    My nephews (10 and 13) stayed with me a couple of weeks ago, and I got a chance to see them game. And yeah they are playing mostly Fortnite these days, but they love it. Further, it actually looks pretty intense. Like the editing and jockeying for a clean shot is more nuanced than what I was getting up to.

    Like was my obsession with Quake 2 DM that much more elevated? True we had a lot more variety with mods and maps, but if I’m being honest most of my time was just spent running around Q2DM1/The Edge and a handful of other vanilla maps. I did love that Homer skin though, lol.

    Anyway, I see them hooting and laughing and the whole time they’re chatting with their little friends from school. I can see the joy in it. I wish it wasn’t on this centralised, monetised, company platform. But I can see what they like in it.

    E found it
    low poly model of Homer Simpson grimacing while holding a shotgun

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      I’m not sure it’s about graphics. Fortnight was never king of graphics mountain. Its probably favored games in the consciousness. But i think millennials still apart of the Minecraft era

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      Ehhhh a PS5 game can look a lot better than a 2016 AAA

      I’m not saying it’s everything, and I’m not saying every meaningful upgrade is worthwhile, I’m just saying.

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    My take from this meme is that Zoomers and later are more “captured” by a few big platforms than previous ones.

    And perhaps earlier ones, too.

    Like, my aunts and relatives are trapped on Facebook sharing Trumpy memes. Kids younger than me seems to be really into ultra-short videos or mobile-ish games. The only people I know that know how to use a desktop PC, beyond the bare minimum for work are… about my age? Other than a senior dev.

    This is a huge generalization and small sample, but still. I’m not worried about other generations doing things I don’t like (that’s always true, and a good thing), I’m worried about them being more trapped.

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      My take from this meme is that Zoomers and later are more “captured” by a few big platforms than previous ones.

      Steam games have been around for a lot longer than 10 years. So has Nintendo. There’s no reason a Zoomer wouldn’t have played Stardew Valley or Undertale or Mario Odyssey or Wii Tennis.

      Like, my aunts and relatives are trapped on Facebook sharing Trumpy memes. Kids younger than me seems to be really into ultra-short videos or mobile-ish games. The only people I know that know how to use a desktop PC, beyond the bare minimum for work are… about my age?

      I keep seeing this complaint. I’ll never understand it. I definitely know family that have mired themselves in Facebook memes. But its silly to pretend my Blessed Lemmy-4chan-channel is materially better than their Barbaric Facebook-4chan-channel. Honestly, just amazed they finally came around on computers at all. So many of my parent’s generation couldn’t even check email twenty years ago.

      Similarly, the Office Space Millennials seem to have completely forgotten that their non-technical peers exist. Like they’ve never met an auto mechanic or a plumber or a doctor their age who has struggled with using a computer. I used to do IT for a physicians clinic and it was the Medical Assistants doing all the office work. The RNs and MDs couldn’t do shit. Which was ironic, because so much of the IT upgrade was about reducing staff size… but the MAs were the ones who grasped the tech the fastest while the actual medical staff avoided tech like the plague.

      And sure, kids half your age don’t know DOS commands because they don’t use DOS. But there’s no shortage of Zoomer/GenA computer geeks. I ran into a gaggle of robotics club Alphas in downtown, near the local convention center, just last week. Every year my office fills up with interns who built their own PCs and threw up their own home PLEX servers for their parents who are my age.

      Some of you are just so damned cloistered, insisting the three 14 year olds you know aren’t doing Angelina Jolie shit from Hackers in their basements before they’re even old enough to drive. But pull down your reading glasses, squint a bit, and you’ll see plenty of tech savvy folks younger than you.

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    Real boomer energy. While graphics improvement flattened out, other things (that are more important) have continued improving.

    Off the top of my head… Zoomers got: Disco Elysium, The Outer Wilds, Undertale, and a million other indies.

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      Most of these titles don’t have mainstream appeal though. The example is true for the majority of players.

      I do love me some indie games (probably 95% of what I play atm are Noita and Balatro) but I’ll admit it was really cool as a child / teenager / young adult to see the improvements over time.

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        What’s the point? I thought I got it, and that I agreed, but now I’m not sure anymore.

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          Top post plays multiple types of games. Bottom posts entire gaming life is spent in one game.

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              Its not accurate at all. Sure some people now do only play fornite but people back in the day only played cs or tf2 or wow or runescape or any RTS. The difference is the games now get content updates whereas back in the day these people were playing the exact game over and over for 10 years.

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      2 of those examples are 6 years old, and the other is turning 10 soon

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        Zoomers aren’t teenagers anymore. Well, some might be; I’m not sure where the cutoff is exactly, but the oldest zoomers might be 30 already.

        Though I’d also say that millennials, Xers, and boomers got each of those games, too, if they were interested. Hell, even the silent and greatest generations probably have members that enjoyed those games, though probably not so much for the WW1 generation.

        And in the other direction, I’ve enjoyed games that were popular before I was born, so if gens alpha and beta want to claim them as well, I’d allow it.

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    I started with Atari 2600 on a black and white TV. PS2 is the newest console I have. I’m still buying and playing PS2 games. Haven’t seen a need to go any further (other than a couple games I’d like to play.)

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    Yeah holy shit, we really went through eras playing games, theyve pretty much only ever known fortnite, like modern 18 year olds

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      Nah, zoomers went through the whole indie horror game gauntlet, Minecraft, terraria, etc.

      Edit Addendum: Also, don’t forget about games like Friday Night Funkin and the plethora of mods that it spawned. The Five Nights at Freddy’s fandom was basically a cult at some point and still memed. Cuphead was a big enough phenomenon to get it’s own animated series. Stardew Valley is another game that will doubtless have influence beyond it’s years. Motherfucking Undertale, sans memes, etc. VA-11 HALL-A was pretty popular for a while too. Don’t forget about Among Us. Lethal Company is still getting updates. SCP Secret Laboratory is another one people forget about, but is still a game with a dedicated player base. Kenshi…oh man great game released in 2018. Fucking Persona 5 and Metaphor ReFantaszio, great games. MiSide is a new game, a horror game that doubtless has a small yet dedicated following. No Man’s Sky is great, especially after they fixed it. Many Gen-Z doubtless remember Subnautica. Ultrakill is something that is quite special.

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        You may be right among us, lethal company, 5 nights, generation, they were raised by those types of games, not what we had, theres a fat difference still, but they definitely had variety, im not saying they didnt, if my friends and I had modern roblox/fortnite growing up we wouldve exclauively played that too, we only played what we could all play together so it would be the cod/sports game we all bought that year, ocassionally trying mid ftp titles like dcuo

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          Always gonna be ppl who branch out and those that dont, overall they got more variety for free than we did

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        All those games you mentioned are like what I played growing up and im mid 20s

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        thats not zoomers tho, thats over 18, 20+ at least, idk my nephews have never bought a game its just fortnite and/or roblox

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            Oh were def talking about alpha then, were talking about highschool aged kids and younger zs been college

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      I mean, they’ve decided to stick with fortnite, roblox, minecraft, whatever. But, there have been thousands of great games released that they just chose not to play.

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        I remember being so impressed with King’s Quest 7’s graphics that looked like a cartoon. Big improvement over KQ6, which itself was a big improvement over KQ5, which was so much of an improvement gameplay-wise over KQ4 that I gave up trying to play 4 after later getting it on some abandonware site (it was a “type what you want to do but the engine will have no idea what you intend unless you use the very specific wording they programmed into each scene”).

        But yeah, before that, cover art often had little to do with the game itself. I have a vivid memory of receiving a birthday gift and experiencing a rollercoaster of emotions as I was excited to get a new video game, then dissapointed when I realized it might be a movie instead, follwed by happiness again when I noticed the Nintendo logo, confirming it was a game. The cover art just looked like the generic cartoon art that was popular in the late 80s/early 90s.

        Oh and on that note, most cartoons sucked back then compared to today. I can understand why many people thought cartoons were just for kids because most of them back then were so awful only kids could enjoy them and even the better ones were usually only able to trigger wholesome kind of vibes (like most Disney ones prior to Aladdin). There were some exceptions, like Looney Tunes. But most of it was like minimum effort to sell some shitty toys.

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    VR actually went through this from 2014-2024 or so. the original Oculus DK had such chonky pixels, very rudimentary tracking, game integration sucked, no hand controls. it rapidly got better to the point where playing Riven is like straight up being teleported into the world…

    …except for like, being able to run around or touch things. so it’s stayed niche.

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      What’s the status of VR right now? Any major advancement? I know oculus got bought by Facebook, so no way in hell I’d ever get that.

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        I have to think it’ll stay an arcade and power user thing indefinitely. The full experience needs large, clear section of your house, and housing is getting more expensive. Break down your costs per sq ft and see that you’re paying an awful lot for it.

        Games like Beat Saber don’t have to move around too much, but the experience will always be limited if games have to keep the player in one spot and can’t use room scale. That said, Beat Saber can be pretty decent cardio workout if you put effort into swinging your arms (as opposed to lazily flicking your wrists around). Sweat buildup on the headset can be an issue, though. Keep some alcohol wipes around.

        Racing/airplane sim stuff is one of the best uses. People who are into that are willing to drop a lot of money.

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          For VR to truly shine, I think we need brain interfaces like the Matrix or SAO. Though I think even that will be a double edged sword as people train their brains to do VR stuff which feels similar enough to RL that it might be hard to context switch. Not to mention I doubt I’ll be able to trust any corporations creating those either on the maliciousness angle or the competence one.

          Even compared to what currently exists, full VR experiences will be fundamentally different. Current accessibility tools seem to be “provide sensory data to the brain or react to brain activity and let the brain figure out how to use it”, whereas true VR would be more like “suspend these normal comnections and replace them with virtual ones that reproduce reality well enough for people to enjoy using it, doing normal body stuff plus maybe things that aren’t possible like flying and magic with thought alone”.

          That said, if you can handle moving around in a VR world with a control stick without getting nausea, headset VR is continuing to improve, though the pace seems to be a bit slower because I think the bubble has deflated somewhat.

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        Strong rumors of Valve’s new VR launching this year. Quite excited for that. Otherwise, the status (in my opinion) is stagnant. I still have fun occasionally getting into VR though.

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        regrettably, Meta is the state of the art for VR. the Meta Quest 3 is stunningly crisp for the price point. it’s almost retina-scale with the pixels, the head/spatial tracking is extremely accurate and doesn’t require any base station or wired attachment, and you can fluidly stream VR games from your PC wirelessly at 1080p and like 120fps with nearly no latency or reality sickness.

        I played Myst and Riven while I was sick with COVID last year, and it was one of the top five visual experiences of my lifetime (along with seeing the Grand Canyon and taking psychedelics.)

        Meta has also recently finally cracked the holy grail of non-chonky AR glasses with full FoV, though the gallium nitride waveguide process is quite expensive and yields are too poor for them to sell it. but they look like slightly nerdy glasses that let you see holograms superimposed on your vision, even outdoors in the light.

        unfortunately, VR is still anti-social and there’s not much content there, and the company leading the way is awful. but even just for Riven alone it was worth it to me.

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          Ah hopefully other companies will advance becuase there is no way I’m giving my money to that shit company

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            Valve Index is still a damn good headset if you want to jump in. They leapfrogged everyone else and had the best one for a few years. Even if it’s been surpassed now, it doesn’t have the corporate issues that the others do.

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      Not as widespread as the systems shown above though. Older VR games and even VR in general is pretty niche.

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    I did 10 yrs of TF2. Better graphics might have come in that time, but I only noticed the phlogastinator.

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      Pyro pre nerf had one of the most op build of degreaser (any) flare gun and axtinguisher

      It was also very fun, along the lines of scout cleaver sandman pre nerf

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    Gen X version:

    (Had to cheat and put an arcade game for 1980, because I’m not aware of any notable console games from that year. In reality the console games from then looked much, much worse than Pac-Man)

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        That’s a good choice! Probably the most popular one of that year. I never had a 2600 and started with a 5200, so my knowledge of it is lacking.

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      My first game was pacman, on Atari 2600, that would have worked instead of the arcade version.

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        Came out in 1982, I was looking for a 1980 game. And boy, is that version notoriously awful!

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          That was 82!? And yeah, not great. Seemed awesome at the time though, being able to play on your own TV, without paying quarter!

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      Even as a millennial this is one of the first games I played (and I still love it). I dumped the ROM so I can play it forever.

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    Maybe graphical advancements have slowed down (especially since it takes half a decade to make a game now) but this feels a little disingenuous. Bottom is supposed to be Fortnite? I can see someone playing WoW or Quake or UT for 10 years since its release too.

    Theres more variety in gaming today then there ever was, many more single dev games succeeding because they dont need to impress the likes of EA to publish their game thanks to the internet and free distribution. More platforms to choose from and multiplatform releases are more common.

    The successes of one game are not reflective whole medium or the current state of gaming.

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      That’s the average “modern thing bad” to you. Especially the ones shitting on things around kids

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      You can still find Unreal Tournament servers now. I checked it out recently because I used to play loads of UT back in the day, but everyone on there is so skilled I assume they must have been playing non stop for the past 25 years.

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      It’s also really ignoring how much Fortnite has changed over the years. It’s like saying 10 years of LoL and using the same three pictures from season 1.

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          Ranked in LoL was too stressful to me. That and StarCraft 2 I could never enjoy ranked in. Idk why. Other games didn’t have that same effect on me. I guess just too much shit to keep track of and it stresses me out.

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    I mean, they can still play the old games. My kiddo loved Kirby on the NES Classic

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      The point of the meme is the experience of witnessing the unique rate of progress in game engines, not the variety. There’s definitely more variety now than ever before, if you go looking for it l, and I say that as a 40 year old curmudgeon.

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        Exactly. Several limits were loosened or removed entirely. The SNES was the first console with actual pixel transparency, the PSX, despite being weaker than the Saturn and the N64, was the king of the 90s. The jump in graphical and sound quality was always night and day from the Atari era all the way to the PS3/360 era (sound probably peaked in the PS2 era, with DVD quality)

        Even on the PC, the jump from 3 years’ worth of advances was astonishing. Just compare the original Doom, 1993, with Quake, 1996

        And here’s Quake 3, 1999

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            Graphically, I think the two Half Life are more akin to UT99 and UT2003, similar year of release, too. UT2004 didn’t change graphics, but I remember that, if you set everything on the graphics to maximum, the announcer will exclaim “HOLY SHIT!”

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            didn’t feel like it to me at the time, but I was glad they finally developed the technology to prevent Gordon’s boots from being slippery as fuck. god hl1 platforming was abysmal.

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              With the graphics specifically though, IMO half life 2 (2004) is more similar in terms of fidelity to Portal 2 (2011) than to Half Life 1 (1998). Which does make sense as Half Life 2 and Portal 2 were made in the same engine ofc.

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      Not the most active current popular games for them tho, if you’re around 18 rnow fortnite was prob the main/only mutiplayer title played, my friends and I played a ton of games, jumping every month to what was popular, its consistently been fortnite for kids for a while now, I have 18 year old nephews that have only ever played fortnite, which is honestly a non issue if that works for them, the goal is to get dopamine, move on when you stop getting dopamine

      They can play the same game for years and I cant even open one of hundreds I have avilable to me most days, I think they and sports game player win, they seem happier.

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        the goal is to get dopamine, move on when you stop getting dopamine

        Is that the goal? I want more from my games than just poking my brain. I sometimes play games that challenge my reactions, sometimes ones that challenge my thinking. Superhot and Braid provided interesting time-related puzzles. Portal had some good lateral thinking puzzles.

        I’m not exactly playing educational games, but when I played Assassin’s Creed games, the historical bits I found interesting were things I could learn more about outside the game. When I played Hearts of Iron 4, it was global politics around the time of WWII. Uboat and other sub games taught me a bit about submarine tactics in WWII. Oxygen not included taught me things I didn’t know about thermodynamics and materials, even if it is extremely simplified. Age of Empires and Total War were gateways to learn about medieval styles of warfare.

        Even Sea of Thieves, which involves incredibly simplified sailing was what prompted me to learn about how square-masted sailing ships actually worked.

        And, of course, all the flight simulators I’ve played over the years has taught me a lot about how to actually fly planes.

        To me, if all you’re getting from a game is a bit of dopamine hits, you’re really missing out. It’s like watching the same movie over and over, or reading the same book over and over.

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          Dopamine is simply a motivator idk why yall see it as a drug, the way your last sentence is phrases, any action you derive joy from is because you get dopamine from it, if the game bores you dont play it, is what im saying. Id get the sunk cost fallacy where id say I need to spend at least an hour a dollar for the game to be worth it, better off just not playing it if you dont like it, your time is always more valuable

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          Poking my brain gives me dopamine, I enjoy start and puzzle games that stress me out because of the dopamine, its the main driver, elden ring was pain and stress (my first dark souls) but the most dopamine ive ever gotten from a video game

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    Zoomers played Minecraft

    Millennials and Alpha play(ed) Fortnite

    You could also put 10 years of RuneScape or WoW for millennials and a plethora of games that came out between 2010-2020 for Zoomers