A 13-year-old student was expelled from a Louisiana middle school after hitting a male classmate who she said created and shared a deepfake pornographic image of her, according to her family’s lawyers.
The US president is a pedophile. Victim blaming is a standard now, pedophilia and kiddy pron is protected these days. We’re living in a really shitty dystopia these days.
There are the obvious comments about trump being a pedo and all but I think there is also another subject at play here
The US loves to apply zero tolerance policies. Thesr sound impressive, “zeeerroooo tolerance, we will do everything to stop the bad guy!” But in reality it’s just virtue signalling without doing anything about the real problem.
Zero tolerance policies make it that the institution doesn’t have to deal with any real problems. A student is a potential problem? Expel them, arrest them, get rid of them. This way, you don’t have to deal with anything and fuck that student, who cares about them?
A 12 year girl writes on her desk that she likes a clasmate? Arrest her with handcuffs and all and throw her in jail. (True story)
A girl doesn’t do her homework? Send her to something that effectively is a jail. Why spend time to support her, try to figure out what are the causes behind her problems? Just get rid of it. Eto tolerance, baby!
Somebody at school or work get bullied forever and finally snaps and hits back? Investigating WHY would take up resources, time, effort, it would cost money that can go to the shareholders and the CEO. Just fire that person, problem gone. That the bullies remain is not a problem, who cares about that? That that, over time, makes ymthe environment in your organization more and more toxic is not your problem.
I see all these US mass shootings done by young kids and young adults, and I just wonder. I know that the easy access to guns is an enormous issue that a handful of assholes don’t want to fix, but these zero tolerance policies too have a lot of influence on this, I think.
The USA needs to start dealing with their problems instead of just expelling and jailing every person who has a problem
If I was her dad, I’d be asking to take candid photo of the staff that took that decision, for no particular reasons, and see them stumble. But apparently “boys will be boys” remain strong :/
I think it’s time to start actually protecting and caring for children instead of using them as a scapegoat.
Zero-tolerance policies.
Usually the effect of these policies is that a kid who’s getting bullied puts up with it until he can’t anymore, then finally fights back and gets suspended. Same thing here.
Personally, I don’t think we should encourage violence, but I also don’t see a problem with letting kids fight it out. He was lucky all she did was hit him.
Honestly? Not being in that school anymore is probably a good thing, especially for her. Record be damned; not one single fucking thing that i went through in school went on to matter to anyone but me. And unfortunately all that stayed relevant to me was the trauma. so, yeah, I’d say NOT being forced to suffer in that concentration daycamp full of shitbag crotchgoblins who hate her is an improvement.
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Good for her.Furthermore,
I hope her ex-classmate never forgets that punch and re-lives it every time the thought to deepfake porn of someone resurfaces.Girlboss energy
What kinda bum fuck school is this, I wanna say that but it’s usually the affluent rich areas with fuckery like this going on
Calling for HIS EXPULSION for creating a DEEP FAKE that ruined this poor girls reputation!!!
I hope HE GOES VIRAL!!! And his damn family of this POS understands and HIS DAMN reputation is RUINED even worse!! Colleges SHAME applicants on being damn liars!
Call/report to the school board and complain plus keep sharing with NEWS OUTLETS ALL OVER THE NATION! (Story NOT the issue - duh, sorry have to state that and people are that damn dumb!)
This is appalling!!! FUCK HIM! POS!
Nice to see the sheriff took action, since the school doesn’t seem to give a damn.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
The girl has been allowed back into school, only after a school board meeting voted to allow it; but ‘on probation’ and with the expulsion still on her record. The family is following up with a federal lawsuit because of that.
I’ll note she didn’t just hit him out of no where. She first reported it to school staff. They did nothing. She then tried to contact her dad and got told by school staff ‘parents don’t need to get involved’. The school then put her on the same bus as the offender, who showed off the image again to other students in front of her.
What else was she supposed to do. I’d have hit him too, and I’m almost 30.
Wow! WTF? Parents being involved seems the minimum. The way I see it, if the school took no action and the parents were intentionally not told, the kid got off easy without a full blown asswhoopin’.
Fuck that school, their behavior is what allows this kind of thing to continue and turns these asshole kids into asshole adults… and then we end up with modern day US.
Sounds like a great cause for a law suit to me (not protecting a student). And we all know how much Louisiana cares about that.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
If the school knew and didn’t report it to authorities or parents then the people involved should also be charged. School officials have a responsibility to report suspicion of sexual abuse, physical abuse, and self-harm. That’s what being a mandated reporter is about. I’d bring criminal charges against anyone wanting to keep it in house.
I taught middle school briefly. I had a student that was sexually harassing another one of my students. Using “[student’s name] GYATT” as a nickname in kahoots and shit. The student being harassed had also transferred in from being homeschooled all her life - no experience dealing with this kind of shit.
Admin refused to do anything. I rearranged my seating chart to put them as far away from each other as possible, but admin blew me off when I asked if the problem student could be transferred to another class. Nope! Left me on read.
It’s insidious in Oklahoma. I imagine it’s the same in Louisiana. They really do not care about sexual harassment. It’s the “good old boy” system, where they refuse to consider it as anything more than a minor issue.
Admins don’t care about students, period. Not just sexual harassment
On probation for what, defending herself? Fucking hell.
I’m all for violence when needed. It was not needed but certainly deserved.
Without getting all wrapped up in your beliefs, surely you can see how assaulting someone for showing pictures you don’t like, even if they depict you, is not self defence.
That’s following the same logic of Muslims attacking someone who drew the prophet being justified.
Him brashly showing naked pictures of her to people in front of her was sexual assault, meant to damage her mind/emotions/social connections.
Why are you only interested in the damage done to his body, and not the damage done to her life?
Why is her “option of last resort” use of violence not okay when ever other attempt failed to protect her? How else can she protect herself when literally everyone else refused to?
Bro the PC rot is real.
Sexual assault? The fuck?
I do not care about the damage done to him, I said he fucking deserved it.
Who the fuck said it’s her last resort?
I’m talking from a legal stand point, it’s not fucking self defence. It’s certainly not sexual assault either. There’s a serious misconception of the law on here. Your feelings are not reality, just because you feel so hurt by this story does not change the fact it wasn’t self defence, that’s my point.
Why do you think I have a horse in the race? Why can someone not disagree with you and be a reasonable person? You instantly assume I’m some sexist cunt.
I don’t give a fuck about any of it really, it’s a story about people I don’t know in a country I don’t live in. She is the victim absolutely, I’m all for her hitting him. But it’s not self defence… It’s just not. Go study some law, any law from a first world country and show me one place that would be considered self defence.
sexual assault
harassment?
use of violence not okay
not necessary or reasonable to stop an imminent threat of danger, but I think you know that
It’s child porn for fuck sake. The school did nothing and put her on the bus with him. What other option was she left with?
If it were my daughter I’d be proud of her.
Yep, I’d be proud of her too and support her all the way. You know what else I’d do?
Get her a fucking solictor because she just assaulted some kid.
Haha. Believe it or not I have actually pre-warned my kids that if they need to defend themselves physically to just press ahead and I’ll pay for the solicitor after.
They’re all incredibly good kids so I say that to them knowing it won’t be abused but provides them with the confidence they’ll be backed up and to stand up for themselves in the moment.
What other option was she left with?
there were many like the press, lawsuit, higher authorities
I’d be proud of her
I’d be, too. Kid needed an ass beating & the authorities who failed here needed a comeuppance.
That’s not the same at all. As a dad I’d I more than likely would be in jail for beating the fuck out of the kid.
Getting angry over images of mythical skydaddy means you have mental issues.
Getting angry at a boy who made fake nude images of your daughter is 100% justifiable
The worst part about Lemmy, more so than Reddit, is you guys are retarded. You read one thing and decide it means something else, then start arguing the wrong point.
So let’s go through this in points
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You’re not a tough guy, you’re a fucking idiot. You’ll really help your daughter out in jail after beating a small child.
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You need some education
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Yeah it is fucking justifiable, I’m all for it. But you know what it isn’t? FUCKING SELF DEFENCE
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You must think you are really smart, don’t you?
Smarter than the comment I replied to, and you, for sure.
I would like to congratulate her on the new college fund after her parents sue the absolute shit out of the school.
Unfortunate for everyone else, but when a school says “parents don’t need to get involved” they’re doing something quite wrong
Every one of the school officials who knew and did nothing should be charged as accomplices.
I would think that all of the school officials could be brought up on charges of failing to report as mandatory reporters.
Sorry for the wall of text. I tried to tldr it and failed.
proper tldr is hospitalized my bully. Mom invited a detective to the meeting, who threatened to arrest the vice principal for aiding and abetting assault of a minor.
I got pretty much that too happen in middle school. Beat the shit out of a bully who was punching one of my friends repeatedly in the head. Like kicked him in the testes then started stomping on his hands with steel toed boots and broke his bones so bad he had to move to another town for rehab, beat him badly.
My mom found a detective who’s kid was also getting bullied to show at up the meeting. VP was the disciplinarian in our school. We headed into the room with him, with the principal already sitting at the end of table. He didnt say an word that entire meeting.
My mom tried to open the meeting up while we were getting settled, by asking what the school was going to do to prevent students from having to take ‘drastic measures of self defense.’ VP immediately stood back up and started yelling about how it was HIS meeting and it was my actions in question. The detective, who was still standing, calmly unbuttoned his jacket, revealing his gun and badge, and calmly told the VP to sit the fuck down.
He started interrogating the VP about student reports of violence, when hed been informed, what hed done about it, etc. Then he told the VP that either he was leaving that room with steps already in place to ensure there would be no more violence, or he was going to arrest the VP for aiding and abetting in multiple assaults and abuse of a minor. He also threatened that arresting him for that would have the VP’s sons in sleeping in DSS custody that night.
Shortly after that I was sent back to class, but not before he cautioned the VP in front of me that any attempts to punish me for the fight would be seen as retaliation for reporting his actions, and making good sure I knew to call him (the detective) if that happened.
Like i said, the main bully was out of school, but his 2 friends were called in to the office shortly after that and expelled for the year. Then an announcement for a school wide assembly on bullying. Which was a pretty funny assembly. They both claimed they were implementing a 0 tolerance policy (which how we broke that is a story for another day) but also (clearly demanded by the detective) litrerally read out the states laws on self defense, stressed that students had an absolute right to defend themselves from violence which no adult could take away.
A police officer was there, who ended up becoming the high school’s student resource officer, who then told students that if reports of harassment or violence were falling on deaf ears of the faculty, to please report that to the local PD who most definitely would pay attention.
charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence
I’ll bet that has a penalty of like $1.25 total.
Back when I was in school, they would have expelled him and gave her a high five (and told her not to get caught doing it again).
Her brothers or cousins might very well pay him a visit also.
When I was a kid, the police would have arrested and charged the boy for CP even though he’s a kid too. This story is insane, it shows how much things have changed.
You elected a pedo for president and all his cronies!
Holy shit, that was me? I alone can decide the president? And I decided Trump? Holy fuck.
We found him! Right here! This guy!
Because it’s not real it cannot be CP legally. Which is why he is being charged on this lower count. I am sure the sheriff would love to give him more years if they could.
The AI nuance makes this make more sense… the law has yet to catch up.
When I was a kid
things are very different in very different locations. Don’t over-generalize like that.
If im the dad in that scenario I’m catching assualt charges then sueing for child endangerment, fuck everyone involved from the school.
Yeah if it were me, bare minimum the boy’s parents are getting their dinner interrupted by a loud angry knock on their front door.
If I’m the dad, I’m lawyering up. This is going to be a very expensive lesson for the school
Absolutely, but all I’m saying is you can probably lose an assault case and still win a completely different lawsuit at the same time, one of the lawyers will end up paying for the other.
Not being allowed to contact a parent while distressed at school especially strikes me as bad. Even if they have no good reason to be freaked out, preventing a distressed student from reaching out to a parent while at school really sits poorly with me.
I’d raise hell if my kid was told parents don’t need to get involved. It’s not like the parent wasn’t going to hear about it as soon as she got home.
If there is pornographic material being made about my child, I should be the first person the school calls. And immediately.
School administration is a joke
What else was she supposed to do.
Sue the school, get the police involved, go to the press, etc. The authorities in her life were failing.
If we were talking about adults, I might agree with you; but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old.
Perhaps she should have waited until she could get home and speak to her parents; but she did reach out to the adults responsible for taking care of her and was repeatedly turned away without a solution.
With that, I can’t really blame her for her actions here. I’d educate her on how to reach out further for help in the future, but I definitely wouldn’t punish her for this one.
but that’s a lot to ask of a 13 year old
Not of her parents, though.
While her actions are understandable, violent force without imminent danger is still difficult to justify. In practical terms, though, that kid needed a severe beatdown & the shitty administrators need to face consequences.
stop trying to argue both sides.
“She should of done xyz instead” in one sentence “that boy deserved it” the next.
Principles like nonviolence & justifiability aren’t really negotiable. Maybe you should try morality sometime.
The moral thing here is for that sexual assaulting scum to be expelled and criminally charged, and the girl defended.
That didn’t happen, the girl was punished the boy protected.
She did the right thing, pussyhole lad should’ve been beat far worse for his crime, if he wasn’t going to be properly punished.
There’s no morality in non-violence that allows violence to go unchecked. It was her last resort and it still isn’t good enough for you.
If she didn’t do that it would have continued and probably even gotten worse.
The moral thing here is for that sexual assaulting scum to be expelled and criminally charged, and the girl defended.
Right.
She did the right thing
Nope: see violence.
There’s no morality in non-violence that allows violence to go unchecked.
There was no violence until she performed it. Maybe you need a dictionary.
It was her last resort and it still isn’t good enough for you.
Far from it: there were higher authorities, the press, lawsuits, shaming & embarrassing the school administration publicly until they cave. They weren’t exhausted.
Violence is only justified in imminent danger. In civilized society, we only authorize lawful force. I think you know that. Lacking integrity by corrupting & bending moral principles when challenged isn’t moral: learn morality.
I love how you keep trying to gloss over the fact that you are arguing both sides - How the fuck is that “moral”?
Oh becaue you are doing it and you can do no wrong from up on your high horse.
Either you are a troll or you have legitimate brain damage - either way -blocked.
Whooole lotta people in these comments defending the guy who produced and shared Child Exploitation Material. “She shouldn’t have resorted to violence, there were other options” “She shouldn’t have responded to bullying with physical assault” My favourite: “it was made with AI, so it’s not really child porn”
Why is a 13 year old girl being asked to act with the calm sensibility of an adult in this situation, but no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
While I agree that jumping to violence can sometimes be the wrong answer, there are at least two cases where you just gotta remind people that polite society has its limits: nazis, and people who are actively sexually assaulting a child. This person was openly sharing sexually explicit material of her with others in front of her. That is sexual assault under Louisiana law. And if you think asking a predator nicely to please stop ever works, you’re a naive fool.
I don’t blame that girl one bit for hitting him. In fact, I hope she used her nails. Some people simply have no sense of boundaries until they receive percussive instruction.
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I can tell you for certain, that a lot of trolls do the stupid shit that they do online, because they act with a huge sense of entitlement. They all talk like nobody has ever cuffed them good in the mouth for the dumbest shit they say or do. It honestly shows from all walks on the internet.
People try reasoning with trolls, doesn’t work. People try reporting trolls, it works some of the time. People try holding trolls accountable for their actions and the authority have a bare grasp on things online.
I bet you if people knew more where their trolls are hiding, there would be massive beat-downs that there’d never be an asshole online again.
He made revenge porn of her. Revenge child porn.
He’s lucky she didn’t rip out his throat.
Violence is the solution to child porn though
“Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats”
HL Mencken
I hope you’re not implying that AI generated videos of minors is anywhere near as bad as actual children getting raped.
You are bullding a straw man so you can knock it down. Quit minimizing the harm done by creating sexually explicit images of a minor.
Not really. He’s the one who said “child porn,” which most people would assume to mean children being raped and recorded.
If he’s trying to argue that “making sexually explicit AI videos of minors” deserves a violent response, then he is incorrect and he knows it.
That’s why he tried to conflate the two.
A person putting a hidden camera in a child’s bathroom to get videos of them naked is also child porn and they also deserve violence upon them.
Making sexually explicit AI videos of minors absolutely deserves violence
If the article instead said the girls father who happens to be Mike Tyson punched the 13 year old boy so hard he had brain damage I could see an argument for that possibly being excessive.
With an emphasis on “possibly”
You are either uninformed or callous to the amount of damage that those videos can have to a 13yr old girl.
But the actions that boy took likely permanently altered that girls life for the worse including a significantly higher chance of suicide
It’s porn.
She’s a child.
It’s child porn.
Her first response wasn’t violence. She was let down badly by the school then pushed and pushed until she hit him.
If he’s trying to argue that “making sexually explicit AI videos of minors” deserves a violent response, then he is incorrect and he knows it.
That was what was stated and also seems to be agreed is the correct response to
child pornsorry “sexualy explicit AI videos of minors”.
Hey guy, YOU don’t get to make explicit videos/pictures of whatever weird shit you want if it involves another person.
This involved a real little girl who now knows for a fact that there’s a little boy who sees her boundaries as non-existent and just uses her body however the fuck he wants with no regard to her feelings.
Get all the way fucked. I wish she beat his ass for this.
I never said it was acceptable and the perpetrator was punished by the law.
if you think it’s acceptable to use violence to respond to AI videos being made of you, you need serious help.
Hopefully you, or your children, don’t get their ass kicked or worse trying to be macho. It happens all the time.
Exactly. Even if this was two adults it’d still be incredibly fucked up and wrong and, if in a workplace, should be a slam dunk win in a lawsuit
Where the hell did they say anything about child rape? Do you think child porn is only porn when someone is getting raped you absolute disgusting trogoladyte? I refuse to downplay child porn no matter how it’s created. Especially in this case in which the porn was used to torture the girl it was made of.
The police are charging the young man and don’t expect to do anything to the girl which is an example of people in the real world treating the situation appropriately. I can’t imagine the fucking idiot who didn’t let that girl contact her parents and instead put her in a situation where she COULD have a physical altercation with the abuser on the same bus.
Thankfully the police are operating responsibly in this case, generally in the US we don’t even expect that.
He shouldn’t be trying to conflate the two and should be specific about his argument if he doesn’t want me to poke holes in it.
You didn’t poke holes, you made something up out of whole cloth. The thing you made was a big red flag on top of your head. Cause we’re all looking sideways at you right now.
Like how if someone knows way too much about Romeo and Juliette laws, or the age of consent. You are telling on yourself with the logical line of your arguments and I assume you don’t know how to stop that from leaking out.
I’m poking holes in his argument heehee!
These are real fucking people. Get some empathy.
You’re making yourself look like a pedocnore than anything. Playing devils advocate over CSAM makes you the bad guy.
Imagine creating an account just to go and try to make the argument that some depictions of child pornogrophy isn’t as bad as children being raped. Because you feel the need to compare and rank them, why exactly?
I don’t know if you’re serious or think you’re being some edgy troll. Regardless. Please go to the nearest mirror and ask yourself if this truly is the best version of yourself.
Sexual harrasment isn’t trolling, making CP isn’t trolling. I am 1000% okay with either of those things being met with violence. Especially when the victim is a child.
Attorney Miller said school leaders at Sixth Ward Middle School failed to address the girl’s complaints about the circulating image, despite her reporting it to school leaders.
“The school board’s actions in this case are reprehensible,” Miller said. “My client’s daughter was begging them all day to put a stop to this. Not only did they not put a stop to it, they put [her] on the bus with the perpetrator.”
When the girl saw the photo being shared again on the school bus, she hit the boy who she said was responsible for creating it. She was later expelled from the school.
She even tried to get it stopped the proper way and it was ignored. This is on the school admins. They should be glad she didn’t stomp the little pricks head in.
A new account defending sexual assault? Classy.
Go back to reddit, pervert.
I love the double down edit.
no one is asking why a 13 year old boy thought it was okay to sexually harass his classmate? If she should have known better, he bloody should have too.
In fairness, he “was charged with ten counts of unlawful dissemination of images created by artificial intelligence”, so it’s not like he was given a free pass or anything.
She’s on the Internet for life. I hope he enjoys registering as a sex offender.
He absolutely should not be on the sex offense registry for doing something stupid at 13.
What about 14? Is it ok then?
She got expelled for doing something stupid at 13. Are they the same?
Hard disagree - he needs to be punished for sure, but if boys are going to be marked as sexual predators without actually touching someone, or exposing his genitals or some shit like that; they’ll start touching people physically and exposing their genitals since; “I guess the penalty is the same anyway…”
Check this dude’s hard drives
Until at least 18 he should be. Making deep fake porn in this day and age is not that big of a deal. Sharing it with classmates is seriously sick behavior. He sounds like an aspiring rapist and needs a serious wake up call.
Making deep fake porn in this day and age is not that big of a deal.
Uhhh… ok… You’re entitled to your opinion. But I feel confident that the rest of us who doesn’t make deep fake sexual images of others would disagree with you. It is a big deal.
I think they meant. “…not that big a deal” as “it’s really easy to do” - based on the rest of their comment.
Only once she hit him.
Im a firm believer that society would be better if everyone had a punch card. You get to punch one person in the mouth every 6 months. You will not be arrested, fined, fired, chastised or anything. Hefty fines apply to any retaliation outside of reciprocal punch carding. Women are allowed a small fist pack if striking a larger man.
I guarantee you people will start treating each other better if you can get popped in the mouth. That boy is never gonna do that shit again I promise you. Core memory unlocked.
Fuck the punch card, if you’re an asshole you should deal with the consequences. Getting punched in the face is the least of what should be dealt with.
When I worked on the help desk I used to suggest to my boss that we should get one free “go off on a caller” per month and that it would do wonders for morale. He did not agree with me.
I have actually thought quite a lot about this lol, and I kinda agree with you, violence should never be encouraged, but humans evolved to fear getting punched in the face or being eaten alive by a wild animal, not formal and polite warnings and fine haha, again not trying to make any point but just smthng i find interesting
“violence should never be encouraged” is a total bot thing to say. look at every major revolution throughout history. “violence is never the answer” is propaganda
Welp there is a diff between not encouraging violence and saying violence should never be used in any circumstances, you are right that major revolutions and resistance always have an element of violence in them, thats a different thing
But in a normal everyday life resorting to violence should be the last resort, its unpredictable, not just (what if your bully is stronger than u?) and undermines rule of law, I was replying in the context of the comment abt having a punch card to be used every 6 months, not in context of resistance or revolutions, sorry if the distinction was not understandable
yeah i thought about that after making the comment, solid points
‘How I met your mother’'s SLAP Bet was amazing.
Hopefully you don’t get picked by Deonte Wilder. Kinda a death sentence for anyone that
isn’t trainedisn’t able to defend themselves.
I’m convinced that kids starting to get in so much trouble for fighting (really started up about 30 years ago) is why so many people have grown up being little assholes. No one grew up learning consequences for being a dick.
I’m flabbergasted that the school wouldn’t let her call her parents. I don’t see how they have the right to do that without parental permission, not matter the reason why. But that supports violence. She tried what she was taught to do. The adults in the building failed. So she stood up for herself.
We have fists for a reason. And in this case, I believe it’s justified.
I can only be so harsh on the boy. He is a child as well. And while he should be held accountable for the sexual assault, saying he is sexually abusing a child makes it sound like he’s some pedophile. It’s normal a 13 year old would be attracted to another 13 year old.
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The fuck? Even in nature, plenty of animals have social punishment behaviors other than killing.
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i swear you read the dumbest fucking bullshit on this website
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“See kids? This is why you shouldn’t smoke pot.”
I never understood US schools “logic” when it comes to deal with violence.
Yeses, she should not have hit that asshole, but they should expell him, and maybe give her a day or two of detention.
The same level of logic where the bully is somehow not at fault for when the bullied finally stands up to them.
Not that I’d know from personal experience or anything growing up from how many times it was somehow my fault for retaliating.
As someone bullied a lot what I learned from them always punishing retaliation but not the action was to wait a day, be sneaky about it, then unleash all hell like youd never get another chance. If they’re gonna punish me for being in the right Im gonna earn it, so I went big. They never found the rock that was in my hand though so I guess it worked out.
Congratulations on your new flair!
Jeez Ender Wiggin
Dont get mad at him for doing it better.
punishing retaliation but not the action
I’m missing something. Are you suggesting that by retaliating outside the moment - attacking outta nowhere the next day - you were somehow punished differently? Perhaps less so?
What often happens in these cases, you’ll see, is that nothing is every done about the issue until the victim fights back. Then they usually both get punished equally.
The initial bullying is often completely ignored.
Teachers tend to treat one sided aggression (ie bullying) as an annoyance they must deal with, often daily, so it’s brushed off as par for the course. Once two parties are swinging it’s a fight, and since they’re already used to excusing bullying, it must be the retaliator who was wrong.
“it takes two to tango” that is, there’d not be a fight if the victim didn’t resist. Therefore both parties are at fault /s
yuuuup “Why’d you hit back? Now I can’t ignore it!”
I also think teachers get used to bullies because they act out so frequently and just accept their behavior as default, so they subconsciously think yeah that kid is supposed to hit other kids, but it was weird the quiet one flipped out all of a sudden (flipped out meaning acted exactly like the kid they ignore does all the time)
I don’t think it’s really the teachers that brush it off. Most teachers do actually care. It’s the administration that doesn’t have their backs.
Teachers definitely brush it off. I’ve seen it with my own eyes. I was the victim, all the fucking time. I still remember elementary school in Philly, I was the only Asian kid in the class. Holy fucking shit, the bully always had co-conspirstors testifying against me, defending their mini-“gang leader” and nothing is ever done.
Those classes where there were a few ABCs (“American Born Chinese”), they would never defend me, not physically, nor even just verbally telling the bully to fuck off, I was just fucking alone.
nope you got it.
Punishing the victims should they dare to not stay quite is an honored tradition in schools and one that isn’tl limited to the US at all.
Rest of the world: Want to know why US schools have so many shootings? It’s not just the availability of weapons (though that’s the #1 factor).
Kids are taught from an early age that justice of any kind for their abusers inside school is never going to happen. Any action they take will likely result in expulsion—just like this girl—even for defending themselves.
With the microcosm of a social space that is school, what conclusion do you think kids will come to if they want justice? They don’t see any bigger picture than the tiny little place on Earth they’ve been legally obligated to be inside of until they turn 18.
And this situation is a stronger reason.
The girl has gone through every reasonable and righteous option she could of.
And the authority of all of those matters - failed her. So what was she left with? Punching the abuser. Now they’re all like “WHUH?! OH MY GOD! U CAN’T DO THAAAAAAAT!!” despite them practically IGNORING what was happening. What did they honestly expect? For her to own it?
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She should get a high five instead of detention.
That is my opinion, too.
Basically, it’s whoever creates a problem for the school. Bullying doesn’t make waves or headlines. Physically assaulting people does. Therefore, bullies don’t get punished, only people who hit back.
Seems to me a kid who’s essentially created child porn and distributed it at school would be a huge potential problem for the school.
Right, potential problem. So they try to bury it to avoid it becoming an actual problem. The kid fighting back makes it an actual problem, so she gets suspended.
It’s a fucked up logic, but that’s their reasoning.
Yeah, when I was a kid if a girl sent a naked photo to a boy and he distributed it, they could both get busted for CP, usually the boy would face a harsher punishment for distribution and the girl could negotiate something else. This image was created totally without the girl’s consent or knowledge, so the boy is the only one at fault
Although, once alerted and not helping her, the school is at fault as well. And perhaps the individuals, such as the principal.
0 tolerance = 0 thought
It’s punching people is bad mkay. No thinking about why they got punched. Just punch = suspension.
Yep. It is a very limited world view to only count physical brutality for these kinds of judgements.
This has always been my contention with this policy. It’s one thing to prohibit physical violence. It’s another thing entirely to create an environment where everyone escalates to verbal abuse (bullying) and other forms of assault, yet have no ‘zero tolerance’ policy for those things.
The logic is “precarity”. Everything can arbitrarily be taken away from you by a capricious system.
America is a shithole country.
I was a kid who got picked on and his ass beat a lot in the aftermath of Columbine. And I can speak from experience that basically every single guidance counselor and teacher’s marching orders were that I was much more terrifying and dangerous than the kids who cracked my ribs multiple times.
Part of it is that the culture of “boys will be boys” is still incredibly prevalent and transcends politics. Hell, look at how many “leftists” are glad to ignore platner being a nazi who worked for blackwater and blames the victims of sexual assault for being around soldiers?
But an ex who actually is a teacher explained this to me one night. A lot of the logic is that the bully is a lost cause who is probably going to suffer a LOT more if their parents have to come into school to talk to the principal about what their kid was doing. And… they are probably lost causes that schools just don’t have the resources to help. Whereas the kid getting bullied? They have a chance. So the kid who pantsed them in the cafeteria gets a slap on the wrist whereas they get a week of in school suspension for breaking that kid’s nose.
And then you combine that with standardized testing and funding and No Child Left Behind and the idea of expelling the young psychopaths only to get them back in a year because the “bad kid school” is full… yeah.
And I can see the same cold logic here. There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this and the reality is that basically every girl in school is probably dealing with the same problems (they just might not know it). And there is nothing the school can do about the sick bastards who are doing this. But what they can do is say they have “zero tolerance” in the hopes of keeping everything from boiling over and just kind of hope she gets past her trauma somewhere else.
Ain’t the world massively fucked?
I get it, but why punish the bullied person then? Let them off the hook as well. That doesn’t follow any logic.
Aside on the Platner thing, I don’t like the guy because he gives off some weird vibes. But I don’t think he’s a Nazi. He’s been pretty honest about his past, and I think we should learn to let people grow.
There is nothing the school can do about her being violated like this
Legal authorities? Expulsion?
Administrators are lazy & risk averse. If parents advocate for their kid by raising a significant enough threat to job security, then administrators will act.
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Petition to strip big balls of his medal of freedom and give it to this girl who showed courage in the face of adversity and no tolerance for bullshit.
I would def. sign that petition.
I can’t think of a better use of my time than signing & spreading this petition.
I signed it. I’m going to see if I can sign it multiple times, lol. I hate that dude and I don’t even know him. All I know is that him getting his ass kicked by two 15 year olds from Maryland at 330am in this city while he was here doing incredibly shady shit is the direct reason that city I live in has been absolutely locked down by the National Guard, ICE, DEA, FBI, DHS, etc. for months now and it’s showing no signs of ending. Fuck that dude.
Why do the victims always get the short end of the stick in these cases?
Because theyre girls and are inherently sexual by gender, plus boys are a protected class
/S but i cant even tell if im joking or if this is just what it is now
Even a boy hitting a boy/girl who had been bullying them for months would be punished harsher than the one tormenting them.
Well, he was charged with 10 crimes, she was charged with nothing, so I wouldn’t conclude that she ultimately got the worst of it.
The expulsion was almost certainly unfair (though details on why expulsion over much more typical punishments for this sort of thing in a middle school are completely absent, which I find strange), but it can be a lot more easily ‘undone’ than the criminal charges.
The girl’s father makes it clear that “boys will be boys”.
“Honestly, I have no ill will towards that young man or his family. Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do,” Daniels said.
Especially not if there are zero consequences.
Yeah, you can tell how clear he makes it by his overall statement being completely ungendered, the moment he’s not talking about this boy specifically:
Kids are kids, and they do dumb things just like adults do. So, especially at that age, they don’t comprehend the severity of what they do.
How exactly is the above sentence favoring boys over girls in any way? I also don’t see him criticizing his daughter for the actions she took, either.
I think you just want there to be misogyny, to confirm your biases.
It’s people like you that enable rapists.
You lied that the father said “boys will be boys”, and all I did was point out the lie and correct it, by quoting his actual words, and pointing out their gender neutrality.
So people who call out and correct liars enable rapists? Explain how. Be specific.
There’s no lie in anything that I wrote. “Boys will be boys” is the mentality behind this guy just casually sloughing off the sexual violation of his daughter through the use of generative AI to create nude pictures of her that this boy distributed across the entire school. She will carry that trauma for the rest of her life (not to mention the fact that those pictures are now out in the wild and will never disappear from the internet). And if it weren’t for the sheriff doing the stand up thing and opening a real investigation, that boy would have seen literally no consequences for his actions.
You shrugging and saying “well he didn’t say boys” is just being an apologist for the father’s apathetic attitude towards this girl’s bodily sovereignty and personal dignity.
Calling his mentality “boys will be boys” when he very clearly said ‘kids will be kids’, very directly implies that you are accusing him of giving male children a pass that he wouldn’t give female children.
And that’s a completely baseless assumption fabricated in your own mind to rationalize labeling him misogynistic. You’re calling him sexist based on nothing but your own bias.
There is zero evidence that he wouldn’t say the exact same thing about a group of girls making AI edits of their male classmates, and there is evidence that he would—namely, his actual words.
Your baseless accusation falls firmly under the ‘dishonesty’ umbrella.
That father is either a far far better person than I am, or an idiot. I’d be fucking furious.
He’s bending over backwards to be nice and ignoring all the importance of being kind. He’s an idiot.
So a boy made child p**n of a classmate and wasn’t punished but the victim of the crime was?
Americans really living up to their president’s standards eh
Schools with zero tolerance policies are bullshit.
Sometimes kids hit other kids. They’re figuring shit out.
Plus sometimes situations deserve a little violence.
Give a warning and expell the boy for the AI image instead. That does a hell of a lot more damage than a light smacking.
Everything with a zero tolerance policy is bullshit and just an excuse to avoid having to actually consider nuance and individual situations.
Zero tolerance? Except for deepfake porn, apparently.
The parents should sue the school for tolerating that.
I got the same punishment in highschool for climbing over a table in the lunchroom to start a fight with someone who bullied me as I did for showing up five minutes late to class. It’s all such bullshit. (The punishment was two days of in school suspension.)
Give a warning and expell the boy for the AI image instead. That does a hell of a lot more damage than a light smacking.
If the story is true it would be overly excessive for both to be expelled. Also the boy who seems to be 13 years old as well. That’s just very young. But then again I’m from the socialist paradise Germany where we don’t think it’s appropriate to throw kids into prison or ruin their lifes otherwise :)
While I wouldn’t advocate accepting this behavior there’s got to be a better way of addressing it. Sure, the victim shouldn’t have to deal with the accused, but there’s got to be a way of teaching a kid a lesson that doesn’t ruin their entire future. That kid has their entire adult life ahead of him and it is in all of our interest for him to become a responsible, upstanding, contributing adult
Simply expelling a kid is a failure of the school system as much as it is a failure of the kid
I’m from Europe, too. Kids are expelled from school for less than this. He absolutely should be expelled and have to have mandatory counseling. A slap on the wrist will just show other kids they can get away with sexual harassment and abuse, and make it even worse for the victims.
Just for you: He is 13 (in words: thirteen).
But demanding draconian punishments is always easy of course.
At 13 I could tell right from wrong. 13 is young, but old enough to know better than this. And expelling someone for sexual harassment/abuse and giving them mandatory counseling isn’t draconian. What’s draconian is that girls and women have to deal with this type of abuse and have people like you wave it off like it’s not a big deal, because boys will be boys.
What’s draconian is that girls and women have to deal with this type of abuse and have people like you wave it off like it’s not a big deal, because boys will be boys.
Where did I state that? That’s just a strawman. That I don’t think one should ruin a very young and potentially immature person’s life doesn’t mean I don’t think that behavior should be addressed. But please enlighten me how expelling someone makes that person a better member of the society?
Sure but the problem is being expelled from school potentially ruins their entire adult life. There should be a better way of handling that includes appropriate punishment and remediation, as well as support for the victim, and still sets the kid up to become a functioning adult member of society
There have to be more answers than either expel them or accept their behavior, and the school district needs to be tasked with finding one that both ensures justice and their role of helping kids become responsible adults
